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[Frozen]

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HIS MISSIONS SUCK ASS!!! Actually I love it, it's just freaking hard-core, or I just suck at this game. I've completed 100% of the missions with all Snakes and Raidens, but hell, this is giving me hard time. I'm enjoying it a lot, though.

[dan da man]

You on about substance?

[Frozen]

Originally posted by dan da man

You on about substance?

I on about substance, yes (lmao)

[MakgSnake]

You Ok Frozen?.....

[Frozen]

Yes, I'm OK, thank you I posted a very possible spoiler for people who is playing all the missions in Substance, so I marked it as a spoiler. Although now that I think about it, I think I screwed up with the title

So, have you finished all of the missions yet, Makg?

[MakgSnake]

No, I havn't been playing Substance that much.....the only time I play Substance is to finish the game again and again.

I love the gameplay and all but its the story I crave for.

[dan da man]

Originally posted by MakgSnake


I love the gameplay and all but its the story I crave for.

EXACTLY!



Everytime I play substance, I cant resist starting a new game.

[Dark Angel]

Same here, I think I've only done a pitiful 15% of the Missions as I keep playing the story part of the game. Well until yesterday when I wiped my Substance data!! Thank god the missions stuff was on a different save.... It wasn't too bad as I haven't played Substance that much I was only getting dogtags, had them all up to Shell 2 on Normal, but it's a pain to have go through it all again....

[Frozen]

Originally posted by MakgSnake

No, I havn't been playing Substance that much.....the only time I play Substance is to finish the game again and again.

I love the gameplay and all but its the story I crave for.

Then why did you bother buying this game and just kept playing SOL instead? Seems like a lame waste of money to me.

I'm actually saving the GAME for later, after I'm done 100% with the missions. Right now I'm 92% but the missions with this guy are really afreaking pain in the ass to complete. But thus I have learned many things I did not use or did not know how to use before: like grenades without grenade luncher. It's a pain in the ass to land them in the right spot. And it has helped me develop another many sneaking techniques I never thought of.

Play it niggas.

[dan da man]

Originally posted by Frozen

Then why did you bother buying this game and just kept playing SOL instead? Seems like a lame waste of money to me.

Not if you're a fan.

[Dark Angel]

Well said

[SplinterJD]

aye too true I play it when I get the chance and always have a shot at the main game and i've done about 38% of the missions cant be stuffed sitting down to do them all takes too much time.

[Frozen]

Originally posted by dan da man

Not if you're a fan.

So being a fan just means to buy all the possible products associated to your fanaticism? Pffft. :\

It's sad to see how many people talk of themselves as fans but don't actually get into the thing... just pretend to.

Kojima made this god damned game for the fans, indeed, but then he also meant for THE FANS to play all of the new stuff he put into the game, otherwise he would not have even bothered in adding all those missions and mini games, instead, just released the same game with a different game.

You consider yourself a fan? Think again.

[dan da man]

Originally posted by Frozen

So being a fan just means to buy all the possible products associated to your fanaticism? Pffft. :\

It's sad to see how many people talk of themselves as fans but don't actually get into the thing... just pretend to.

Kojima made this god damned game for the fans, indeed, but then he also meant for THE FANS to play all of the new stuff he put into the game, otherwise he would not have even bothered in adding all those missions and mini games, instead, just released the same game with a different game.

You consider yourself a fan? Think again.

Then why did you bother buying this game and just kept playing SOL instead? Seems like a lame waste of money to me.

You must really consider what you are saying, if you're a fan you buy both, SOB and Subtance, and I never said I dont play the other parts of the game (VR mision, Snakkes Tails, Special Missions etc etc), becuase I do!

[Uchiha Sasuke]

Yeah I'm a hardcore fan mainly because I CRAVE THE SNAKE!@

[MakgSnake]

Originally posted by Frozen

So being a fan just means to buy all the possible products associated to your fanaticism? Pffft. :\

It's sad to see how many people talk of themselves as fans but don't actually get into the thing... just pretend to.

Kojima made this god damned game for the fans, indeed, but then he also meant for THE FANS to play all of the new stuff he put into the game, otherwise he would not have even bothered in adding all those missions and mini games, instead, just released the same game with a different game.

You consider yourself a fan? Think again.

Did you know why Kojima created "Substance" .... it was a demand by "Non-MGS" fans. People who wanted to play and just play. Metal Gear fans enjoyed and loved "Sons Of Liberty". I became a Metal Gear Fan because of its storyline, because of its dialouges and its music and its surrounding. If it wasn't for Kojima, Metal Gear could have been just like "Splinter Cell". But no....it had emotional scenes, character developments, theme songs. Substance is just pure gameplay, no story. I have been playing "Substance" VR Levels.....but its the LIFE OF SOLID SNAKE that intrest me.

I just bought Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance on the PC, and havn't even opened it.....probably wont. It'll be a decoration piece in my room. Plus, even if I tried, it wont work on my PC. The requirments are very high. Being a "FAN" doesn't mean playing everything, or how quickly. Its knowing what you love...and I can say, I know what I LOVE.

People have played Substance and finished it too..... but that wont make them a bigger FAN then anyone else. Just because you are finishing various levels quickly, doesn't make you a great FAN, it DOES make you a good gamer, but not a bigger fan. There is a difference.

And being a fan means supporting what you love. I am HUGE fan of Mr Hideo Kojima, so buying a Metal Gear product means giving him the money, so that he can make better and bigger products.

Supporting what I love, what I am a fan of.

Metal Gear, the grestest series ever created.

[dan da man]

Originally posted by MakgSnake

Did you know why Kojima created "Substance" .... it was a demand by "Non-MGS" fans. People who wanted to play and just play. Metal Gear fans enjoyed and loved "Sons Of Liberty". I became a Metal Gear Fan because of its storyline, because of its dialouges and its music and its surrounding. If it wasn't for Kojima, Metal Gear could have been just like "Splinter Cell". But no....it had emotional scenes, character developments, theme songs. Substance is just pure gameplay, no story. I have been playing "Substance" VR Levels.....but its the LIFE OF SOLID SNAKE that intrest me.

I just bought Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance on the PC, and havn't even opened it.....probably wont. It'll be a decoration piece in my room. Plus, even if I tried, it wont work on my PC. The requirments are very high. Being a "FAN" doesn't mean playing everything, or how quickly. Its knowing what you love...and I can say, I know what I LOVE.

People have played Substance and finished it too..... but that wont make them a bigger FAN then anyone else. Just because you are finishing various levels quickly, doesn't make you a great FAN, it DOES make you a good gamer, but not a bigger fan. There is a difference.

And being a fan means supporting what you love. I am HUGE fan of Mr Hideo Kojima, so buying a Metal Gear product means giving him the money, so that he can make better and bigger products.

Supporting what I love, what I am a fan of.

Metal Gear, the grestest series ever created.

Dont want to break anyone's love for this game, mine niether, but some news has broke out that Kojima does not even write the FG story line!.!.! OMG! thats why millions of people envy this guy, even top game devlopers, I dont want to believe this, the story is big (read) it's not on the net, so im going to analyse it more and post exactly.

[Frozen]

Originally posted by MakgSnake



People have played Substance and finished it too..... but that wont make them a bigger FAN then anyone else. Just because you are finishing various levels quickly, doesn't make you a great FAN, it DOES make you a good gamer, but not a bigger fan. There is a difference.

And being a fan means supporting what you love. I am HUGE fan of Mr Hideo Kojima, so buying a Metal Gear product means giving him the money, so that he can make better and bigger products.

Supporting what I love, what I am a fan of.

Metal Gear, the grestest series ever created.

I DO consider myself a good gamer even though nothing great. Now, I HAVE NEVER SAID that I am a great FAN, and you probably remember that. I do love MGS but I don't share that fanatic feeling of "just buying all sorts of products from the same shit cuz I'm a fan"

You guys only sound like fans of SNAKE, the character, not the MGS games as a whole.

A TRUE fan would both buy the games and finish them from inside out.

Because you don't support game developers just by buying their shit. You make their job have a real meaning by playing throughout all what they did, for you, the consumer, buyer, fan, whatever.

So yeah, I won't hide it, and it's probably very stupid from my part, but I feel very disappointed at all of you (mainly Makg and Dan) for not playing the missions. What can I say?

[dan da man]

I have played the mission on subtance, That's what I bought the DAMN game for, MakgSnake has MOST probally play the extra missions in Substance, But the game came out ages ago, so me and maybe MakgSanke and Dark Angel have stop playing them, but play the story mode instead! If people cant do that or even FANS, then we just ignore people saying what we dont do, when I have and probally so the guy's have done, MakgSanke made a statement saying he cant stop playing the story (tanker/plant), and me and Dark Angel said us too, where the hell does that say we don't play all the extra stuff in Subtance?!?!?

[MakgSnake]

Originally posted by dan da man

MakgSanke made a statement saying he cant stop playing the story (tanker/plant), and me and Dark Angel said us too, where the hell does that say we don't play all the extra stuff in Subtance?!?!?

Its cool Dan, may be Frozen just needs to read the posts more carefully in the future. It could be an honest mistake.

Oh by the way, where did you hear that Kojima didn't write the storyline?.....Because its because of Kojima, the storyline of Sons Of Liberty was what it is now. Its because of him, Raiden made an appearance. ........ I dont know where you heard that from though. I would wanna go deep into that to find out if thats true.