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[Infernal Mass]

It's HARD WORK!...You forgot about Poland!..Did i mention it's HARD WORK yet?..well it is, and you forgot Poland too!...

seems the republicans are now in a state of damage control. Bush had so much to say after the debate didn't he? It's alot better to respond when you got writers feeding you on what to say..

[Redpyramidhead]

What the hell do Alec Baldwin and Barbara Striesand have to do with anything? WHat's wrong is that they felt they had to change what they were saying in order to "get work in this town" and not upset fans. Besides, had they not retracted their statements, they certainly would have had a a lot less to lose than the average citizen who could only imagine such social status ensuring them such financial security in this country which the bush administration has left forsaken from coast to coast.

Neji, you completely ignored the way in which I explained things. How dare you try and turn this around and say that it is I attacking your opinion when in fact it was you who not only once, but now twice have more or less said people with more liberal opinions than you on the matter should leave the U.S. and move. That was the very persecution I was speaking of in my last post. Persecution for my opinion...the very thing you just tried to turn around and accuse me of doing to you. You have every right to your opinion, but you do not have the right to make me feel unwanted in my own country simply because you disagree with me. When enough people get together and persecute people for their beliefs in that manner it is called opression and I am sick of being a target of such prejudice.

You will also notice if you had really read my last post that I spoke about myself excersizing my freedom of speech to its full extent before we lose that right in this country in order to help make a difference. trying to say I am not doing anything about what I believe in is just plain ridiculous and shows you are resorting to tactics to distract people from what I said. Anybody interested can scroll up and read my other posts in this thread. THANK YOU

_RED_ stuff

[goodman]

What was wrong with Barbara Streisand and Alec Baldwin? They didnt get the hell out of the United States like they said they would. And anyone who says they will leave if someone becomes president and then doesnt is a liar and all the other things that comes along with it. So that is whats wrong with Alec Baldwin and Barbara Streisand. If you say your going to do something do it, if not shut your face. And yes there is the freedom to say it, and the freedom to say your a f head for being a liar also...

[Faile]

Keep it calm guys.

Also; https://www.youforgotpoland.com/ is absolutely brilliant. Thanks for the link!

[Redpyramidhead]

Wow... I don't think I've ever seen Goodman lose his cool before. Yes, I did say I was seriously considering moving to another country if things were to get drastically more complicated here. I am the kind of person who who has come to find that they might enjoy a simpler life somewherein some peaceful countryside somewhere else in the world some day. Yes, I did say that, but I also love the United States very much. I will never stop loving this country and what it has tried so hard to stand for with the right people willing to stand up for their beliefs, including ones that require us to listen to eachother and seek brotherhood and sistership. I feel that the bush administrations policies not only attempt to drive a wedge into that type of reaching out to one another here, but also between us and the rest of the world. THat is my belief. If I hope what seems to be against hope that things do not become drastically worse despite the path we seem to be goin in under the current administration, I simply do not want to be mocked for those beliefs or told to get up and leave. The very reason I hope and pray for our country is because I feel what is beautiful about it should be preserved so that we, the people who struggle to survive in these times, are not forced to leave or fade away, and can continue to enjoy living here. Together. It is as simple as that.

I feel the problem with the Bush administration is its fighting to protect the wrong things. It's fighting to protect material possessions that mostly only rather fortunate people can afford to even pretend to enjoy anyway, and failing to realize what we need to fight to protect is the entire people and all of the beautiful culture that comes with it. If you think bush cares about that than go ahead and believe that, but I have many reasons to believe he does not.

I apologize to Neji if I have insulted him in anyway. I just felt wronged by his comments and was worked up about them. Also, if I was rude to you Goodman, I apologize to you.

_RED_ stuff

[goodman]

Well, when the deal with Streisand and Baldwin happened four years ago i was particularly miffed seeing at the time i felt they were sincere in what they were saying. I happen to appreciate their art, btw, just didnt feel they should say something then when it didnt go their way just kinda say "never mind". I was watching Streisand in a funny flick today, i personally think she is a better actor than Baldwin, or was, anyway, definitely a much better singer! And thank God that we have the right to believe and do what we want here, no matter what the consequences....

[Hyuuga Neji]

Originally Posted by Redpyramidhead

What the hell do Alec Baldwin and Barbara Striesand have to do with anything? WHat's wrong is that they felt they had to change what they were saying in order to "get work in this town" and not upset fans. Besides, had they not retracted their statements, they certainly would have had a a lot less to lose than the average citizen who could only imagine such social status ensuring them such financial security in this country which the bush administration has left forsaken from coast to coast.

Neji, you completely ignored the way in which I explained things. How dare you try and turn this around and say that it is I attacking your opinion when in fact it was you who not only once, but now twice have more or less said people with more liberal opinions than you on the matter should leave the U.S. and move. That was the very persecution I was speaking of in my last post. Persecution for my opinion...the very thing you just tried to turn around and accuse me of doing to you. You have every right to your opinion, but you do not have the right to make me feel unwanted in my own country simply because you disagree with me. When enough people get together and persecute people for their beliefs in that manner it is called opression and I am sick of being a target of such prejudice.

You will also notice if you had really read my last post that I spoke about myself excersizing my freedom of speech to its full extent before we lose that right in this country in order to help make a difference. trying to say I am not doing anything about what I believe in is just plain ridiculous and shows you are resorting to tactics to distract people from what I said. Anybody interested can scroll up and read my other posts in this thread. THANK YOU

_RED_ stuff

I was just responding to what you said take a look back and what and how you said it... Its sad that a discussion online is getting you so worked up. Everyone has opinions and everyone reads into others opinions differently the difference is that some people don't get worked up about it just listen to it and try to understand and clearify. And this part made me chuckle the fact that you say in your statement that i more or less said instead of saying you said you are adlibing what im saying but it doesnt matter to me either way.

[Harry]

Be good, and please, please, please, just go to vote.

On a note, if you vote for Kerry (or agains Bush) you will make the mysterious forces behind psfantasy.com happy. Very happy. I'd like to write something more in this thread, but I just can't right now, because I wouldn’t be able to stop once started - anyhow, I want to underline that like others I believe war in Iraq is criminal, as I said in that old thread before the war started, and criminal are the tricks used to recruit young people in the army. But everybody knows that are common people those who suffer and pay in the end, whether they are Iraqis or Americans.

[goodman]

Thats cool, Harry, and surely its a sad state that we find ourselves in the U.S. at this time. Im fortunate to have a good living arrangement that doesnt require much to keep comfortable or upkeep. I know there have been some people that probably left the forum at one point during some of those deep war and political discussions that were being had back over a year ago. It was sad, because there are some really good people here and to lose some due to differences of opinion shows the inability to accept others for what they think and believe. For myself, ive become almost sterile to poltiical discussions after several years of them, and in the end a discussion can just go so far since none of us will actually change the world by what we have to say about it. Were not in power so while we have the freedom to agree or disagree about something the people who make the decisions will decide, not us... I do believe, myself, though, that its a sign of maturity to be able to accept what another person says whether or not you agree with it, and the fact is just because you dont agree with someone on one subject doesnt mean you wont agree with them on several others, so to not be reactionary is a good thing...

[Hyuuga Neji]

Originally Posted by Harry

Be good, and please, please, please, just go to vote.

On a note, if you vote for Kerry (or agains Bush) you will make the mysterious forces behind psfantasy.com happy. Very happy. I'd like to write something more in this thread, but I just can't right now, because I wouldn’t be able to stop once started - anyhow, I want to underline that like others I believe war in Iraq is criminal, as I said in that old thread before the war started, and criminal are the tricks used to recruit young people in the army. But everybody knows that are common people those who suffer and pay in the end, whether they are Iraqis or Americans.

Im curious by your "criminal are the tricks used to recruit young people into the army" can you elaborate on that as i know that I, Jamesbond007 are enlisted in the military he is currently serving over in korea, what do you mean tricks, when it all comes down to in my opinion is that person's choice and they are either going to join for themselve or they wont. No tricks were used to get me to join it was something i wanted to do, server my country, o and on a political note yes everyone register to vote!!!!! You don't have a right to complain if you don't vote.

-Thanks

[Harry]

"Personal" choices are so rare, but I hope that all your friends, that seemed smart people, joined the army because they knew their destiny was there, and because they knew all they have always dreamed to become was there. It's a life of enormous dedication and danger, so if they did that as a "personal" choice, they are more than lucky.

Criminal tricks are those ways used by the U.S. army to advertise their activity. There are dozens of examples, Mr.Moore showed something that everybody knew but that was equally shocking. The target of the army's recruiters is the medium to lowest classes; you can't offer a young boy the idea of joining the army as "a way to pay for your college" - because we all know that's not just that. Too many lost their lives simply because the social system didn't give them any other choices.

There are undoubtedly dedicate individuals who like the career in the army, which remains a fundamental element in the equilibrium of a nation when used for doing good - but when I hear 15 young people saying things like "I'm joining the army because I want to become a real man", well, it gives me the creeps. The activities of the Army are too often fueled on the blood and the ignorance of the poors. But that's how it has always been.

To clarify the "tricks" concept, I have no difficulty in remaining into the topic of our website. SOCOM manuals are examples of those tricks, and I'm the only reviewer targeted to the US (because a couple of European reviewers wrote about it) who mentioned that the idea of adding "How to become a real seal" section in the manual is misleading to say the least. Games like SOCOM give an image of the war that couldn't be farther from truth - similarly to what we saw on TV during the First Iraq "World War" more than 10 years ago, SOCOM give the illusion that "quick, surgical war" is possible. That's not the truth. War is always a massacre, war is always a meatgrinder, war is where you must kill without asking why, war is where you end up killing civilians, innocents, women, kids, boys like you - because boys are dying in this war - and you will never have a chance to ask why and go back home. Or you are a traitor. On this subject, I also don't like gaming websites that advertise the U.S. Army.

Patriots are those that loving their country have the strong desire to partecipate in its life, with critical ability. Patriots are those who think, not those who follow just the President in charge and the image of nation promoted by his men. Who knows, in a world where everything can be sold if packaged properly, it may really happen that in the future an idiot will become President as a pawn in the hands of other interests - what would then happen if all us little sheep started following this idiot?

[MADRUCKIS]

^simple, its called "What happened these last 4 years"

Originally Posted by Faile

Keep it calm guys.

Also; https://www.youforgotpoland.com/ is absolutely brilliant. Thanks for the link!

site is greatness, indeed

I agree that Kerry turns every which way to please the public, like some cheap whore right out of college
but thats what pol's do, isnt it? Isnt that why we vote for them, because their lies sound better? Bush contorts himself too....but unlike kerry, he does it like a cheap whore who didnt graduate middle school.

Oddly enough, try and think of one president everyone loved...and figure out why people liked him. They same guy who just had heart surgery and the people, media, and even critics wished him well. I'm not even caring about this election becaus eI'm voting Kerry, but Bush might win. I'm more worried about our future....say another 4 years. NY's former mayor might run for president.....all of us should run for the hills

[Lost_myth]

Personally I think there should be a third candidate because I wouldn't want to vote for either of them. The Republicans need a new representitive because Bush is a moron and Kerry just seems dangerous.

I watched the Presidential debates and that's all we talk about. Both candidates and their vice presidents are just fighting back and forth about Iraq. OMg, I can't take it. They drive me nuts. They need to talk about something better and just deal with the bloody situation in our best interest.

Do you notice how many of the presidents aren't the brightest people? They just seem like our goverenments little icon. We need to place better standards for presidents.

[Harry]

Originally Posted by MADRUCKIS

^simple, its called "What happened these last 4 years"

Uh, I didn't notice!

[goodman]

Im currently working at a company trying to bring in some extra bucks since my regular business is slowing down until the early part of next year. Im working with many people of different races and ages. One of the people im working with is a 19 year old male who plans on joining the Navy if he can pass a physical. Since i had read Harrys comment on military science i asked him if he had felt coerced into joining the service. He said no, when he voluntarily went in to a recruiter and chatted with them, they said if he desired to join the service they would be happy to consider him. He doesnt have a career or anything like that in mind, but being nineteen with a wife and two very young children, the desire to have medical and financial support over potentially the next twenty years is a big factor in his decision making Its interesting to note that many get recruited into the military without having had a proper physical exam and at some point in their basic training they discover an injury that causes them to receive a medical discharge. In some of these cases im sure that some have put their hopes and dreams into making it in the military only to be told that "we cant use you". So while some are needlessly dying at times in the military, there are many who want to be in the military who also have their dreams dashed, and often by the military personnel in charge of recruiting them due to the desire to keep people coming in the doors...

[Infernal Mass]

https://www.offroaddieselengineemissions.com/

[Harry]

Originally Posted by goodman

the desire to have medical and financial support over potentially the next twenty years

Another good reason to vote this November... even if God knows if candidates will be able to do what they promise.

Infernal Mass: crazy websites!!

[Infernal Mass]

Originally Posted by Harry

Another good reason to vote this November... even if God knows if candidates will be able to do what they promise.

Infernal Mass: crazy websites!!

check out this other one..

https://www.rumorsontheinternets.com/

I started laughing when he said that..i guess someone else did too

[Uchiha Sasuke]

Baised on the debates, I can't trust Kerry. The guy seems to damn much like the damn lawyer he used to be. He seems so flakey and his promises seem kinda empty just listening to him. I have nothing against him personally but I don't see him as our president. I'm probably going to vote bush this time round.

[Hyuuga Neji]

Originally Posted by goodman

Im currently working at a company trying to bring in some extra bucks since my regular business is slowing down until the early part of next year. Im working with many people of different races and ages. One of the people im working with is a 19 year old male who plans on joining the Navy if he can pass a physical. Since i had read Harrys comment on military science i asked him if he had felt coerced into joining the service. He said no, when he voluntarily went in to a recruiter and chatted with them, they said if he desired to join the service they would be happy to consider him. He doesnt have a career or anything like that in mind, but being nineteen with a wife and two very young children, the desire to have medical and financial support over potentially the next twenty years is a big factor in his decision making Its interesting to note that many get recruited into the military without having had a proper physical exam and at some point in their basic training they discover an injury that causes them to receive a medical discharge. In some of these cases im sure that some have put their hopes and dreams into making it in the military only to be told that "we cant use you". So while some are needlessly dying at times in the military, there are many who want to be in the military who also have their dreams dashed, and often by the military personnel in charge of recruiting them due to the desire to keep people coming in the doors...

After going threw the paperwork in the recruiters office you then have to go to meps (military evaluation processingne station) where you have a huge chat, physical, urine and blood tests and physical tests. Its not that you sign and leave. They tell you when your down there to disclose everything that you have had wrong with you or injured in the past, they not only check your physical abilities but your mental too. A girl that had gone down a while back had been disqualified over having issues with her dad and the doctor said she need couseling. The meps people are there to disqualify as many as they can, its not as easy to get in as people think. Unless you lie threw the whole thing and then if your are injured in basic and have lied about past injuries you can get 2 years in jail, loose all pays and bonus's and you get a dishonerable discharge.

Just wanted to clearify on the actual process