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[goodman]

I got weened off of Vodka years ago, got extremely sick drinking it and literally had no desire anymore. Although i know many peeps do drugs i gave em up after about five years several years ago. They took all my money, my time, and my brain cells, as well as drinking did. It took a lot longer, but i finally stopped drinking a while back. In the long run facing your problems head on is the way to go, yeah some will say do it with a doobie or a coke spoon stuck up your nose. Thats fine for them, im glad to be drug and drink free forever! I gave enough of myself away to those things...

[squirms_619]

I agree with the fact that drugs are vary bad for you and that nobody should ever do them. It's a terrible thing and it destroys lives and families. I myself would never do any drugs. I plan on living my life to the fullest and drugs won't get me there.

my brother and my father both do drugs but nothing hardcore even still our family has been ruined because of it. It changes people and not always for the better. I can understand though that there are things that people wanna get away from but I don't believe drugs are the right solution like you have all said it doesn't make the problems go away it just supresses them for awhile.

why not just go to your fav. place and just relax, take your mind off things for awhile and calm yourself, that's what I do and it definitally(spelling??) Helps alot. I get to clear my head and think things through before doing something I'm going to regret and I get to have time for myself. Everything works out in the end for me maybe it'll do the same for you.

[merylsilverburg]

I suppose I am an close-minded person too, since I agree that people who use drugs are weak. Let me clarify what I mean by "weak"...

For me, there are several types of people:

1) the ones who are weak are the ones who know the effects of drugs but use it as "fun" then bitch about it later.

2) the ones who use it plainly to escape their problems, thinking it'll definitely help them, then bitch later or say something like "I didn't know...I was only trying to help myself get by"...they are weak too.

3) the ones who know the consequences and do it anyway, for either pleasure or escape...they are not weak to me because that is their choice and they knew what will happen.

What can I say? I understand that drugs are something that can temporarily provide relief, but in the end, it's just going to create bigger problems for the user (rehab, hospitalizations, etc.) and the problems will still remain there. And since the person is so messed up in the head from the drugs, the problems may appear to be even worse than they were or will create bigger problems. For example:

Let's just say there's a kid who has a ton of family issues. Dad's a loser, the Mom is the hero. Let's just say, the kid in the family thinks to him/herself, "Man, I wish I could do something to help my mom! I wanna help her, but what?" They can't think of anything...they grow more desperate...they don't know what to do...then, BOOM! One day, someone at school says, "Yo man, want some of this weed?" (or whatever drug) and that desperate kid thinks "Maybe I should...I'm so desperate for some relief of trying to think of reason to help my mom that I'm going crazy!" so the kid takes it. Oh gee...whaddya know? The kid keeps taking it...and more and more. Sooner or later, they end up in the hospital, all messed up and crap, and the mom has to be all worried sick about their child and trying to pay for all the medical bills and more. Oh yeah, real smart...you're definitely helping your mom by lying in the hospital.

And if it's not this sort of example, then it's something stupid that doesn't need the use of drugs. Like, I dunno...relationship issues or something. People have taken drugs just because they can't be with whoever they like or someone cheated on them or something else.

Oh! And what about parents, huh? Parents who are having troubles and they use drugs to get away from their problems. Like, for example:

The dad cheats on the wife and moves away with the new young flame. The dad is the finanical provider of the family. The mom takes care of the kids. Okay...so, let's say that happens and the mom is left with the kids. She needs to quickly get a job and stuff, but oh no...she's so torn up about the father leaving, having an affair, etc. etc. She becomes desperate...she thinks "I gotta provide for my kids!" but...she's so distraught about the situation, she can't think of anything else. She's angry...she's sad...she's worried. So, she takes drugs to "get away" temporarily. Or drinks. Once again, real smart: the kids are starving in the corner because their mom is wasting their life away and can't get back on their feet again. So then, what happens? Are the kids, who are 7 and 12 gonna get jobs right now? Are they going to continue going to school being proper good kids and finish school and get a fantastic job and help out their mom? Uh...I don't think so (not all the time anyway...it rarely happens though). They continue to go to school and then, they too, get influenced by drugs (because, hey! Mom is using them, life is messed up, so why not?) so, they take drugs and the cycle continues...

I really think that people who use drugs are way too easily influenced. People say stuff like "Oh, I only use drugs to maintain my sanity...you know, so I can continue living and surviving". What the heck? You don't need drugs to survive. You're more likely to die than live on if you use the stuff. Survival are for people, like those who grew up in bad neighborhoods where violence and gangs are as common as grass, they need to learn how to fight and defend themselves in order to survive. But drugs are no excuse.

As for the teachings of drugs in schools...every state is different, but I was taught about the bad effects of drugs when I was in second grade...we had a cop come in once every week to inform us on everything about illegal acts (drugs, guns, violence, you name it we learned it). So, for people like us who were prepared and informed at such an early age, we cannot say "Duuuude...I totally didn't know about the effects of drugs!" Well, that's your fault then, right? And for people who learned about drugs in High School...well...it's kinda common sense that drugs are bad for you...so for those who learned it late and say, "Oh, I didn't know!" Okay, fine...you didn't know. But how stupid are you not to know what drugs can do to you? Just check out a film or a TV show or the news! They talk about it.

As for trunks saying that people on here will think "trunks is a bad kid..he does drugs" just because he revealed it...I don't think people on here are so dumb that we don't know that some members on here does drugs/have done drugs. Everyone on here are real people...just because we're all gathered at this nice community doesn't mean that everyone on here is a Brady Bunch kid.

So, now to me: Am I branding every soul on the planet as losers just because they use drugs? Well, not the people who know the consequences and do it anyway. That's their problem, that's their own choice. I'm talking about the people who know the effect of drugs and they do it anyway and then bitch about it. As I stated before, drugs are never gonna help a person in the long run. Sure, they provide the relief for a while, but once your sense of reality is back, life is gonna be even more shittier than ever. Seriously, there are people who use drugs, get happy for a while, then the drug dies off and they come back to reality. They're gonna start crying and becoming depressed because they deem themselves as "weak" for using the drugs and they're now depressed even more because they used the drugs! Well, why did you do it in the first place then?! That's what I'm saying. Using drugs is just creating bigger problems from the core of the problem that started it. It's almost like lying. If you lie to a person and continue the lie, it's gonna create a huger problem in the end, right? So, tell the truth. Same thing: don't use drugs...try to take care of the core problem at hand because if you use drugs, it's just going to make it worse. And now, I'm just repeating myself...

I'm not saying that people who have problems can't use drugs, but it's not good to use them as a way to escape because they aren't going to help in the end. It's just not, no matter how many ways you look at it. And I know there are people who have problems after problems that are just so overwhelming and hectic beyond belief...but in these cases, a person has to be strong and try to keep a level head. I'm not saying that every situation is completely perfect and always has a solution...right now, for example, there is a friggin' situation going on in my life that is so completely messed up that I'm getting goddamn pissed off just typing these words out, but I'm not gonna go out and find a drug dealer and say, "Give whatever you've got to me, I need it now!" No. Because I need to be focused to prepare myself for the future, to prepare myself for whatever other troubles come along, and for anything else that will try to shake me down. Me using drugs will make me completely vulnerable and just useless to anyone. And back in sixth grade, when my life was completely turned upside down, that waking up everyday seemed impossible, I didn't not go out to school and try to find drugs to relieve my sorrows. Sure, I grew depressed, so I guess that makes me weak, but I was still pretty much coherant and alert enough to know what was going on in the world despite my inner stress and emotions.

Sorry for this long post...I just get so enraged whenever the topic of drugs come up.

[squirms_619]

you tell them Meryl, that was a great well... written speech

[goodman]

There is a question that has to be asked to anyone deeply involved in drinking or drug abuse. The question is am i the happiest i can be with my life? If doing this makes me the happiest i can be, and the most successful, kind, loving, and thoughtful person i can be towards myself and towards others, then continue in that lifestyle. If its destructive, expensive, destroys my life and that of others, then maybe i need to consider another direction. My recent neighbor across the street was evicted for not paying his bills or rent. Yet he always had money to go buy a bottle of vodka or something else. Being in his upper fifties and having heart trouble didnt deter him from a destructive, abusive lifestyle that has literally sent him out on the street with nothing to show for it. He had to sell all his belongings just to have money to live on for a few weeks while trying to find a place to live. Im going to miss him a lot because he was such a good neighbor, but couldnt control his drinking, it controlled him. There are examples everyday of people who have allowed a controlled substance to control them. There are the people who use small amounts of drugs or just drink socially. Ive always kinda admired their ability to monitor their intake. I was someone who enjoyed drinking a lot, so when the time came to finally do something else, it took a while to get used to. Now drinking isnt even a thought in my mind, or will it ever be so again. I can go into a bar room environment and am not influenced at all to have a drink. Cheers to anyone else who has found the freedom of self sufficiency through their own personal decision to live a clean and sober lifestyle, life has been great these past few years!

[dan da man]

I think its having a good time people using alcohol and drugs, its much more fun using them.

Binge drinking is on the up and because of people like to have FUN.

[goodman]

Yes Dan, its having FUN, alright. At earlier ages i had a lot of fun, myself. Then, if your survive that fun, its time to become a responsible adult. Fun is something you have after youve gone through your work day, paid all your bills, kissed your kids bruises, and fed everybody. Drug and booze fun is for people that really dont have anything else to do with their lives. If they have a full, responsible, life, then their fun is done through different means for different reasons. Most of drugs and booze help a person become self-absorbed. They are too busy being stoned to give a crap about anything or anybody else. Their fun is theirs alone, most of my druggie friends were friends as long as i smoked pot, then once i stopped they didnt have anything to do with me. Im still friends with a few of my old stoner friends, but most of us dont do drugs anymore. Weve grown out of it, and now were real friends, the kind that dont have a specific reason for being friends, were friends for friends sake...

[dan da man]

Word, on the friends you have who you used to get stoned with soon as you quit they drop you.

I don’t have a wife or children, I haven’t smoked in months, or drank for a couple of weeks, I’m not on about having fun all night long, 24/7, alcoholic style or druggie, I NEED I NEED I NEED. I might go out every weekend because that’s the way it goes where I live, you need to socialise to develop and alcohol and drugs come with it.

[merylsilverburg]

Originally Posted by goodman

Then, if your survive that fun, its time to become a responsible adult. Fun is something you have after youve gone through your work day, paid all your bills, kissed your kids bruises, and fed everybody. Drug and booze fun is for people that really dont have anything else to do with their lives.

Exactly. That's my thoughts too. For those who go out drinking or doing drugs as their means of "fun", they really have nothing to do. They're just your average, bored, typical student/person who bitch about how terrible their lives are when they've got nothing to worry about, nothing to think about except maybe school. And if they have a job, it's like "Oh man...my boss is totally being a jackass" etc. etc. etc. College students do most of the drinking and drug abusing because they think they're actually "adults" and think they can do whatever they want. But, um, last time I checked, real adults don't go out getting stoned beyond reason, don't end up at their toilets every morning, don't go out drinking and causing mayhem on the streets, and don't drive at ridiculously high speeds on the highway when they're goddamned drunk! I lived at this campus town for eight years...I've seen it...and I almost got hit by a friggin' drunk driver on my way home from school one time! Is that being a real responsible adult? I don't think so.

Originally Posted by goodman

If they have a full, responsible, life, then their fun is done through different means for different reasons.

Yes, this is also true. Perhaps I am just a terribly boring, dull, person but my definition of fun isn't going out and getting wasted every night or hitting a club and meeting people you don't even remember their names the next morning. I've never actually had that chance to do any of that (not that I will). Ever since I was 12, I had to go to work everyday after school and on the weekends I had to go every morning till night (11 AM - 9 PM). I never got a chance to be a "teenager" and go out with my buddies and catch a film or go out or anything. So, my methods of fun was coming home around 10 PM, eating my dinner, and watching TV or playing games. Oh, but then I had school the next day, so I didn't even have time for games or television or anything. I was literally having a lifestyle of a 30 year old (go to work, come home, eat dinner, relax, go to sleep) when I was only 12. So, this didn't leave me a chance to go out and stupidly get influenced by drugs or drinking as a means of "fun." Even if I did, I wouldn't have because I don't follow what everyone else does. They wanna get drunk and drive off a cliff, go right ahead, be my guest. That's their loss, not mine. They wanna go out and shoot heroin into their veins and end up in the hospital? By all means, feel free. Again, their loss not mine.

And for those who claim "I don't conform with people, I'm a total individual! I totally have my own mind!" Yeah right, that's why when someone hands you pot and say "Do it otherwise we're not your pals anymore" they do it, right? Or what about those people who hear other people say it's "cool" to do drugs and drink? Wow, if you really are your own "uncomformist" person then why do they follow the others and try to be "cool" too? If these people genuinely can use that thing in their skull, um, called a brain, they will make their own decision and say "Nah man, I'm not gonna use that junk" or "You can do it, but I'm not gonna." But no, right?

Also, one more thing I forgot to mention in my earlier post: I forgot to talk about the good people. I gave an example of all the people who had terrible lives, but what about the ones who have no problems in their lives whatsoever? I can't believe I forgot about them!

Even if a kid is living in a nice wealthy family, have everything they want, perfect family, no problems, nothing, everything is provided for them, and more...that same kid will go out and get screwed up and bitch to everyone "Omigawd, my life is soooo miserable...that's why I'm doing drugs."

Wow, either way, no one wins. People who have problems does drugs/drink..people who don't have problems does drugs/drinks. What a great world we're living in. And future generations of kids are supposed to be the smart ones?

[goodman]

Originally Posted by dan da man

Word, on the friends you have who you used to get stoned with soon as you quit they drop you.

I don’t have a wife or children, I haven’t smoked in months, or drank for a couple of weeks, I’m not on about having fun all night long, 24/7, alcoholic style or druggie, I NEED I NEED I NEED. I might go out every weekend because that’s the way it goes where I live, you need to socialise to develop and alcohol and drugs come with it.

Young people have their own ways of relating to each other. I understand that your not hooked on anything, and that you like to let loose every now and then. People my age still smoke pot, and definitely drink. And im not going to say what they are doing is wrong, because these are fully functioning individuals, successful, responsible, and able to do quite well in society. Whats neat about getting older is that you get along with people because of who they are more than what you do. I can hang with peeps while they drink or smoke pot and just simply dont partake in it. I dont have anything against them because they do it, and they dont have anything against me because i dont. I will say that once i finally got away from smoking pot and drinking, that i really do not desire to do it anymore. So while i like the person for who they are, i really dont want to do what they are doing at all anymore, it holds no interest whatsoever to me nowadays... Good points for sure, Meryl!

[Billyum7]

That is crazy...very crazy i do feel sorry for him but yet i think he deserves what he got that one person started with a O kept telling him to stop and he wouldn't. Then the person who kept saying ripper is hardcore, ripper is hardcore turned out to be a computer...I did a google search on him and he has another site that his brother made that talked about him..That smoke person was a god damn idiot he makes me ashamed of being from oklahoma...

[LrdAlucard]

well ppl, u know what. even if u say that going on drugs is a way to escpe your problems, it wasnt quite the situation here now was it.... to me, that boy was maybe trying to prove something, to him, or to the other fools that were chatting with him.. that smokey guy there....he probably was the biggest son ofa ***** that i have knowledge right now. who on earth would think of ever doing that..

[tempted]

Originally Posted by dan da man

I think its having a good time people using alcohol and drugs, its much more fun using them.

I honestly would like to know how is it that a person can have more fun being completly out of her/himself and have much more fun than being in a "normal" state..where you can be aware of everything..in my opinion that's what makes things fun..i honestly don't understand..and i do try to but it just doesn't make sense.



Oh and WOW..Meryl...WOW..honestly i was trying so hard to make people understand my point but i didn't want to go into detailed situations but you...wow..you almost made me cry just for reading some of the situations you pointed out in your firt post..cause it is true what you said, in most cases that's what happens people just turn a problem into a huge one..just for using drugs..and that whole living like you're 30 since you're 12..just so you know..you're not alone on that..i too had to do go through the same thing..and i still try to enjoy life..and i did NOT turn into drugs or drinking..sure i get depressed with most of my problems..but in the end, i end up a lot more happier person just because i'm strong enough to go through everything without making my life even worse by using drugs.

[goodman]

Part of being happy means getting to really know yourself inside, as ive mentioned at times in the past. Unfortunately due to the distortion of reality that drugs and drink brings, there is that inabiilty to know who you really are since your not living in reality. While it may be the reality that you purposefully want at that time, since it distorts the reality that is normal in a sober condition your naturally going to be a much different person under the influence than what you are really, and unfortunately you wont grow that way... if that makes any sense...

[dan da man]

Well today’s society is f*cked up, and you and me cant do anything about it, all you can do is prove points which are correct but in the end its going on now and for a long time.

[goodman]

You mentioned something in another post, Dan, which is very true. That alcohol binging is on the rise. There is also a correlation to the teen suicide rate, which is very much higher than in the past. Due in part to a sense of worthlessness and no sense of direction, many more young people participate in activities that are an indication of their low self esteems, ie, drink and abuse drugs.

[Infernal Mass]

Kaena, there was something wrong with this person before the drugs..

The drugs only acted as a catalyst..Death is the ultimate risk, and that risk shouldn't be taken lightly.

This person was a fool!..plain and simple. He chose.. of his own free will to risk his life..for what!? To impress people online!!...and I'm to learn somekind of lesson from this fool's actions!?.. I prefer to learn lessons from wiser people.

Who amongst us would try what this fool did? Who would in thier own mind ..risk their life to impress other members of this online community the same way he did? Only a weak-minded fool would do such a thing! That may seem harsh, even disrespectful..but that's exactly the type of regards his actions merit.

[tempted]

Originally Posted by Infernal Mass

Kaena, there was something wrong with this person before the drugs.. .....
Only a weak-minded fool would do such a thing!

I know Infernal..he was depressed and all that crap..but just like you said and i completly agree he was weak and turned to drugs, something he had done before..but this time he went way too far..probably to impress the other idiots in the that chat room or maybe as so many times has been said here to "escape" his problems..either way i can't help to feel sorry for a life that has been wasted because of drugs and his weakness.

[Redpyramidhead]

*Ahem* Whats this "normal state* I keep hearing about? Is there even such a thing? What's this magical normal state in which it is supposedly easier to deal with your problems more easily? I can tell you right now I have known many states in my life from simply living it and by listening to music or perhaps indulging in the occasional weed, but I have never in my entire life known a "normal mental state* in which it is best to deal with my problems. SO many of us who do not use hardcore drugs like to live under the false security that there is only one reality and we will only have to deal with that one "normal state" as long as we don't do drugs. Whatever. Reality is overrated by people who use it as a "familiar face" to greet in the morning. But you'll never defeat your depression that way.

IM out of here for now, but before I got I have a public service announcement... don't use drugs...they are bad... except weed which is still bad but isnt too bad if you use it in moderation like me! BWAHAHAHA!
What can I say... I'm the devil trying to tempt you I suppose.

PEACE OUT

_RED_ stuff

[tempted]

Originally Posted by Redpyramidhead

*Ahem* Whats this "normal state* I keep hearing about? Is there even such a thing? What's this magical normal state in which it is supposedly easier to deal with your problems more easily? I can tell you right now I have known many states in my life from simply living it and by listening to music or perhaps indulging in the occasional weed, but I have never in my entire life known a "normal mental state* in which it is best to deal with my problems. SO many of us who do not use hardcore drugs like to live under the false security that there is only one reality and we will only have to deal with that one "normal state" as long as we don't do drugs. Whatever. Reality is overrated by people who use it as a "familiar face" to greet in the morning. But you'll never defeat your depression that way.

IM out of here for now, but before I got I have a public service announcement... don't use drugs...they are bad... except weed which is still bad but isnt too bad if you use it in moderation like me! BWAHAHAHA!
What can I say... I'm the devil trying to tempt you I suppose.

PEACE OUT

_RED_ stuff

You know Mark i'm somewhat disappointed in you..after all that whole chat we had that day when i asked you to call..well you know who..and after all you said to me, i thought you would post something more intelligent or more of an adult..but now you're turning this subject into a depression issue and that's not what this is about..this is about the drug use..and about that "normal state"..maybe there isn't one..i sure as hell don't know what it is as well..but i don't turn my life worse by using drugs.