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[Takua_Ikashi]

Originally Posted by linkkiller31

Two He said i love you like it was his life catch frase. He abused that word like "dude" or "whats up" That word I love you is like a commomly used house hold product to him. I talked to her she was like im not ready for that word its to soon and her friends told him but he didnt stop and it ended. .

Matt yer full of crap. 1. nobody ever said anything, If i knew it bothered her I would of stopped, I would never intentionaly do anything to make her feel hurt or sad or even just uncomfortable. You have no idea how much I loved that girl. She meant the world to me. 2. "I love u" wasn't a catch phrase, I told her I loved her only when i knew I wouldn't be seeing her for a long time... and third of all you make me out to be ignorant and stubburn. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't give these ppl a false impression of my character, thank you. I would also like to remind you that you do not know everything that happened between Ashly and myself. Nor do you know everything about why our relationship ceased. As it stands now, I think the main cause for the pain we went through was a lack of communication, on both our parts...

[tempted]

Originally Posted by Takua_Ikashi

...The guy is typically expected to make the move.

It's not expected .. it's just how things worked a few.. well a lot of years ago and even though times are changing this is something that hasn't yet, although it is evolving.. there are many girls/women today that make the first "move"..but then what happens?..they become "sluts" just because of it..it's all in the people's minds ..if the girl makes the "move" she's a slut if she doesn't she's "playing hard to get"..

Originally Posted by Takua_Ikashi

And i've experianced the humiliating of being led on many a time. In my personal opinion (not to offend any females) I honestly think girls have a problem with communication. Sure they speak twice as much as males, but r they saying anything? I didn't think so.... So i hope i haven't offended any females, but I hope you guys make sure you clearly communicate EVERYTHING with a boyfriend.

You are so wrong..yes, women tend to speak a lot but it's guys who usually don't say what's really in their minds..most of the times is not the girl who doesn't want to speak about their relashionship but the guy..men are the ones whith the comunication problem not women.. and no,i'm not offended by what you said..

[LrdAlucard]

Originally Posted by Kaena

(...)but then what happens?..they become "sluts" just because of it..it's all in the people's minds ..if the girl makes the "move" she's a slut if she doesn't she's "playing hard to get"..

i know i promissed never to post here again, but i cant read this and say nothing. Sorry kaena, but that works for both too. If a guy asks every girls out and etc, theyr studs. if they dont, theyr "automatically" GAYS.

there, thats my answer to that, go on like u want ppl

ps: not trying to offend u keane or anyone else. >OuT<

[happy_doughnut]

This thread has evolved into something far beyond "love," I think. Oh, well... I suppose everything stated is interrelated in a way.

Arg. I feel dizzay. Why do I have to be here right now? I'm so sleepy... Going to sleep and waking up in a time span of 2 hours... *mena strays...

Ahem!

I don't fully agree with Takua's statement. What he said was an overgeneralization of women, all while managing to stereotype them. Admitedly, however, is true that women talk more than men (and sometimes, even I wish they would shut the hell up). However, what women say is not mere gibberish (all of the time). When women speak in a lengthy manner, it is usually because something is on her mind or because she is being troubled/bothered by someone or something. Yes, women DO say many things when they talk. The problem is, really, that sometimes the male doesn't want to hear it. They may not say it directly, but why do you guys think men are (almost) always complaining that "women talk a lot"? Because they bore them with their long chats! This I find to be cynical of them because men many a times complain that women don't "communicate well/enough" and then they later go on to say that women "talk too much."

Now, I do know the difference between actual communication and plain "talking," mind you. But honestly, I do think that women, on a general level, do communicate more and in a better way than males.

As for making the first move, Kaena is right. Maybe it's not in those terms exactly, but it's true. Guys complain that women don't make the first move. Well, okay. If a girl does, society doesn't deem it "proper." It all goes back to the older ages when women had to be courted by men. Back then, it was unheard of women courting men! Not only was it thought to be indecent and unacceptable, but immoral as well. As times have passed, this gender issue has evolved a bit, but not fully. Most of society, especially conservative people, tend to think that the woman ought to "resserve her place" and act "femenine." Going up to the male and telling him she likes him does not exactly entail those two things, according to them.

Women are still regarded in many way the "lesser" gender of the two, and many males prefer to be the ones to make a move as that brings them a sort of "power" from the very beginning into the relationship.

As absurd as that may sound, it is true. Men.

Personally, I don't think that this "move" thing should not have anything to do with gender. I mean, if you like this person, tell them. If you find it hard to do so bluntly, then find other subtle romantic ways to let them know. What does a "move" entail? Just about anything really. For girls, it doesn't mean that you have to go up to a guy and declare your everlasting love, no. A simple smile every now and then satisfies too, as this tells the guy that at least you're noticing them.

If you care for someone, really, are you honestly going to run the risk of having them pass by just because you didn't want to make the first "move?" Come now, don't be silly.

[Takua_Ikashi]

Yea about the communication post, I didn't mean to sound blunt or one sided. Guys have alot of communication faults too. That's the trouble with text is that you can't convey the exact sort of emotion or place the exzact sort of emphasis on what you want to... but anywho... Maybe its just the girls I know, but what i said earlier is true of them. it can take them hours of conversation to say something that can just as easily be conveyed in one sentence. but enough of that, I'm not here to make anybody angry or to be anti-feminine. Women are great! As foolish as the traditions of coutring are, they DO apply to today's world. whether we like it or not. It IS more acceptable for the guy to make the first move, And often Women ARE often looked down upon for making the first move. If you look back at earlier more "primitive" culture, Gender didn't matter. People were people. Although this often led to homo-sexual and bisexual acts (which i discourage) It also allowed men and woman to act without their gender stereo types. there is nothing wrong with a man that likes to wear pink, cooks, cleans, and giggles. just as there isn't anything wrong with a woman that works construction, swears, and belches out loud (to use graphical stereotypes)... I'm afraid as doughnut said, this has gone way off of the original topic, but it IS related. otherwise we would not have begun speaking about these issues...

[linkkiller31]

Originally Posted by Takua_Ikashi

Yea about the communication post, I didn't mean to sound blunt or one sided. Guys have alot of communication faults too. That's the trouble with text is that you can't convey the exact sort of emotion or place the exzact sort of emphasis on what you want to... but anywho... Maybe its just the girls I know, but what i said earlier is true of them. it can take them hours of conversation to say something that can just as easily be conveyed in one sentence. but enough of that, I'm not here to make anybody angry or to be anti-feminine. Women are great! As foolish as the traditions of coutring are, they DO apply to today's world. whether we like it or not. It IS more acceptable for the guy to make the first move, And often Women ARE often looked down upon for making the first move. If you look back at earlier more "primitive" culture, Gender didn't matter. People were people. Although this often led to homo-sexual and bisexual acts (which i discourage) It also allowed men and woman to act without their gender stereo types. there is nothing wrong with a man that likes to wear pink, cooks, cleans, and giggles. just as there isn't anything wrong with a woman that works construction, swears, and belches out loud (to use graphical stereotypes)... I'm afraid as doughnut said, this has gone way off of the original topic, but it IS related. otherwise we would not have begun speaking about these issues...

Ok lets get one thing straight takua why dont you keep your story straight and not try to be a people pleeser ok. And i didnt put a fasle impression out on you for these people you are cold hearted towards a lot of people and you do say things to make people uncomfortable or hurt. And you sai I love you like your life depended on it i talked to ashley it came straight from her damnitt so dont lie just accept that your a cold hearted guy. Ya you can be nice but your a jerk a lot to. Oh ya by the way i think theres something wrong with a guy that giggles. Anyways this thread has gone way off the topic by now everyone has seen but its ok whatever happens happens.

[Takua_Ikashi]

reeves I'm really gettin' tired of yer shit. You weren't there, you don't know. Maybe I did abuse "i love you" a little bit. But like i said... i only told her i loved her when i wasn't going to be seeing her for a while. oh thanks for calling me cold hearted. i'm so cold hearted i go cry about Ashly for hours non-stop. thanks matt... god, i hate my life... I'm gonna go kill myself...