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[Pu the Owl]

Well, you have this point of view because you've never experienced anything like that, maybe, or because your education taught you to think like that.

Originally posted by MakgSnake
HEY every single person on this planet is different

Originally posted by MakgSnake
we are all equal......in each and every way.

Look, you said it yourself above, that anybody's different, and now you're saying that anybody's equal? This seems the perfect opposite of what you said before, no? To the reader, it seems you're not sure of your own personal opinions... Anyway no, to me efforts are not enough in some cases to be able to do anything. Variety implies that everybody could be (with the famous efforts you mentioned) able to do something, not that anybody's able to do anything, just like the others. And if you add to this environment, education, personality, attitudes, and several other factors you'll see that individuals react in a different way because they're different. There's not a general law that works for all individuals. This has nothing to do with religion or this kind of things. You're limiting the discussion and the perspectives, if you involve these matters. You're speaking in general, not in particular. Again, this is because probably you know nothing or not enough about what depression is (that's what we're talking about, after all).

Probably, you'll never understand what I want to say. Your life gave you different opinions and experiences and mine are probably closer than yours to Meryl's ones. Simple, but this cut off any possibility of complete mutual understanding, at least regarding these matters.

[Faile]

makg, what you are saying is naive and insulting.

if you had have experienced any sort of depression you'd know that whatever you do to change, it will always slip in. its chemical, not a choice.

you believe that we are all capable of doing whatever we want to. but thats not true. i want to grow wings and fly away but i cannot, i want to live my life without regret but i cannot, i want the scars i have to go away but they will not.


we don't always have choices

[merylsilverburg]

This is becoming bad.....I didn't mean for this thread to get out hand like this....

And Makg...what you said that I'm "Negative to an extreme"...I guess just from what our conversations have been, you would think that...and it's true, I'm not going to lie. I am pretty damn negative about myself, but I didn't choose to be negative. The torment of people around me, teasing me for the way I look (since I'm Asian and Asians weren't accepted in the past when I was a kid), backstabbing me, spreading rumors about me....it made me feel that there was something ultimately wrong with me, otherwise why would all these things happen to me so much? And with the "pressure of being perfect", if I did one thing wrong, I was yelled at....kids make mistakes, but my parents expected me to already know all the things an adult does. So, that pressured me into "maturing too fast" and that's why I'm so different from everyone and more "restricted". You'd probably still won't understand after this, but I guess I can't make you understand.

[ssjtrunks13]

Meryl, I have gone through almost the same kind of thing. The only difference is I'm white, but besides that I feel I kinda know where you're coming from. I have tried to be somebody other than myself and people hated me more for it. SOme people have told me they think I'm a jerk sometimes, but I don't get how because if I tell someone I won't move over so they can sit with their friends I'm not trying to be a jerk I just decided to sit there just to sit there not because I didn't want them to be with their friends. ANyways, if you need to talk I'd be happy to lend you a hand if I am able to.

[merylsilverburg]

Originally posted by ssjtrunks13

Meryl, I have gone through almost the same kind of thing. The only difference is I'm white, but besides that I feel I kinda know where you're coming from. I have tried to be somebody other than myself and people hated me more for it. SOme people have told me they think I'm a jerk sometimes, but I don't get how because if I tell someone I won't move over so they can sit with their friends I'm not trying to be a jerk I just decided to sit there just to sit there not because I didn't want them to be with their friends. ANyways, if you need to talk I'd be happy to lend you a hand if I am able to.

Well, ssjtrunks from the example you gave me, the decision you made not to move over so that the person can sit with their friend, doesn't make you a jerk. The person who calls you a jerk is, in fact, the one who is.
But, yes, by being "someone else" many people end up hating you for it....because they know that isn't your true self and yet, they don't try to accept the real part. But, that's how society works....
And thank you too.

[ssjtrunks13]

originally posted by merylsilverburg
Well, ssjtrunks from the example you gave me, the decision you made not to move over so that the person can sit with their friend, doesn't make you a jerk. The person who calls you a jerk is, in fact, the one who is.

That's exactly how I feel. So, I didn't really let that get me down. I try to help whenever I can because I'm that kinda guy!

[Pu the Owl]

Originally posted by merylsilverburg

This is becoming bad.....I didn't mean for this thread to get out hand like this....

Nothing has gone out of hand. Things posted here are made for being discussed. And in a discussion not anybody can agree on the same points. That was a simple discussion, nothing less and nothing more. So don't start being worried for this too, ok?

[MakgSnake]

Originally posted by Faile



you believe that we are all capable of doing whatever we want to. but thats not true. i want to grow wings and fly away but i cannot

Atleast be real about things Faile......
I may sound insulting, but thats not what I am trying to be, I am just not suger coted here.

And FORTUNE. Yes.......I am right about us being different and being equal at the same time.

DIFFERENT in a way, that we all are unique in all different ways, no body is alike and Nobody similar to one another.

As for being EQUAL, I meant as in being superior and inferior to each other. NOT what you thought I said. There is no one superior to you, and nobody under you. We all are equal.

And Meryl, see you know that all the conversation Ive had with you, you have been negative all the way, so what am I suppose to think and say. I said, AS FAR AS I KNOW YOU.........

Hate me.........for all the above. I was just trying to be real (not saying you people arn't).

[Deathwatchz]

meryl, im just trying to offer some help from a person who has experienced it, yet to the extreme. I, for abou 2 years, was on the verge of suicide. I'm not the most stable of people, and i didnt fit in until high school. I can tell you, it may seem like things are very bad, yet you have to realize, life isnt going o be very friendly. I had to realize that it isnt going to be a situation where you have to get acceptance from others, you just have to ry to find acceptance from yourself. i know its hard when everyone around you cant understand you, but I KNOW you ccan do it. you just have to try to think about what things you like, and try to see what people around you like. if the people you talk to dont agree with it, dont mention it round them. im not saying that you have to change who you are, just that you have to think about what people will hold against you. if you can find some people who fit into the same group as you, thats perfec, even if the rest of the school will not talk to you. i, personally, have gotten so socible with people, that te only ones at my school who dont like me are the ones who TRY not to like me. you just have to try to be yourself. just because you are more mature than everyone around you, doesnt mean its a bad thing. you can think of it as you have a different view of life. from what ive seen, you arent a very negative person. ive seen a LOT worse, myself included. you have to hold your head up. and as for the pills, you can take them if you want to, but its YOUR choice. you shouldnt ask anyne else how YOU feel, because you are the only one who truly understands your problems. other people have had to deal with the same thing as you, but they dont know how it made you feel. if you think that your attitude towards life is verging on the self-mutilation, then i suggest you take the pills before you end up like me. ive got scars that are going to last me the rest of my life. i hold those as something that prove to me that things can always be worse than what im dealing with now. I'm planning on being a psychiatrist, and i think that you arent as deep in as you think. you may not be telling everything to us, but i think that you are a very nice person who just needs to find some more mature people to talk to. if you cant find anyone like that at school, then maybe you should try to find an older crowd to talk to. most of my friends are 20+, and im only 17, still in high school. just because your teachers and schoolmates hold stuff against you, it doesnt mean you should hold it against yourself. the majority of people who will tease you are not wondering what is wrong with you, they are jealous of the fact that you have that mature look at things. well, if you think that you need any help, im one of the people on your growing list of help. it seems to me that you are one of the people who i could actually consider a friend, rather than an aquaintance. well, i think ive taken up as much of your time as i should, so ill let you go. just remember, theresalways gonna be SOMEONE out there who you can talk to, you just have to find them

P.S. sorry about being so deep. i have that habit when im concerned about someone. (oh yeah, sorry about the misspelling, i was typing too fast)

[merylsilverburg]

I'm sorry you had to go through a lot of hell yourself. Even down to the point where you had to self-mutilate too...I'm very sorry....
I know what you're saying...really, I understand completely what you're saying...I actually do try to look for people with the same interests as me...ever since I moved to this town. But, the residents living here are are so narrow-minded (I'm serious, I live in a small, small town) that everyone basically follows everyone around here...so basically, you're getting no individuality whatsoever.

Originally posted by Deathwatchz
you just have to ry to find acceptance from yourself. i know its hard when everyone around you cant understand you, but I KNOW you ccan do it. you just have to try to think about what things you like, and try to see what people around you like. if the people you talk to dont agree with it, dont mention it round them. im not saying that you have to change who you are, just that you have to think about what people will hold against you.

I'm the one who accepts myself (yes I do, though it may not seem like it) because I am extremely different from everyone and that makes me an individual...which is a lot better than being the same like everyone else is in my school. I'm actually happy that I am different from everyone, but the only thing that's getting me down is the part where it's so hard to be accepted because I am actually different. That's the part that's confusing me...I always thought being "different" was a good thing. And what you said: I've tried that too. I tried to talk about things that other people like which also holds my interest a bit. Like for example, the bashing of Britney Spears...I was working with a group and they were bashing her down and since I hate that chick to death too, I gathered my courage and joined in. But...again...it didn't work....once I said something, they all looked at me and just blinked and quieted down and didn't say anything anymore and did their part of the work. I felt so....stupid. Like...I felt like I completely ruined their conversation all because I had to open my big mouth.

I'm planning on being a psychiatrist, and i think that you arent as deep in as you think.

Not meaning to sound rude, but how can you conclude that without knowing me at all? I said a few things here and there and it's not even the whole story and everyone just naturally jumps to a conclusion like this. I'm not blaming anyone for saying this because no one here knows me, but since that's the reason, I don't think it's right for someone to just blindly make a statement like that without knowing me at all. You can't possibly know whether or not I'm in it "deep" if you don't know the whole story, right? To be a psychiatrist would mean that you would have to listen to the whole story of your patient before you try to help them or try to diagnose them with a certain disease or disorder.

who just needs to find some more mature people to talk to. if you cant find anyone like that at school, then maybe you should try to find an older crowd to talk to. most of my friends are 20+, and im only 17, still in high school.

Yes! I do want to find older people to talk to because I relate more with them than the ones at my age. But....omg, you or no one would believe this...but the older people in my town....are still a bunch of idiots. It also depends on the residents of the place one is living in....if one lives in small-ass town (very much like mine) the people there would still be very narrow-minded and just same, no matter how old they are. It takes a larger town or city to have more individuals...people who have different views in life and beliefs because they experienced more than a small-town person. For example: I live in a campus town.....20 year olds...one wouldn't expect them to be mature...after all, they've only just entered college...but even the 30 year olds still try to act young and annoying. Like, they're trying to "fit in" with the "young generation". Can you believe it? And believe me, I'm not just saying this. I live in a town where 45 year old mothers still dress like their teenage daughters because it's "cool". Most older people should be wiser, but the ones I've saw and studied secretly are actually just morons.
Not saying that every single 30+ year old in the world are morons...but in my town, it's particularly true.
Look, I know it seems like I'm asking for help and everyone's helping me, but I'm just acting like an ungrateful b*tch and turning everyone's help and suggestions down. But, I honestly do appreciate your help, but I just want to explain and let you guys to know the reasons why. It's not like I'm not going to take some advice: I'm going to try to be more positive and not let my "individuality" get me down....I'm not going to take the pills because I just want to see if I can get out of this on my own, I will try to be more sociable though I doubt it's going to work since I've tried it about a million times, and I'm just going to try to enjoy my life even though things are bad in my family situation. But, I'd just like to say thank you all again....I really appreciate everything.

[Faile]

oh i'm very much real makg. everyday i wake up and wish to fly out of the life i am in. but i cannot, i am shackled to it, from here until the day i die. i'm quite resolved to having to live with being myself, so its not all bad, but it doesn't mean i always enjoy being who i am.

i'm not being sugar coated.

but really, who are you to tell me what i should and should not feel ?

its an ill-informed position if nothing else, and mildly insulting, yet i can understand your views if nothing else.

[Deathwatchz]

I wasnt trying to say anything about you not being in as deep as you think. i was just saying what i thought from what ive seen. i know my opinion isnt based off of too much info, yet i try to offer a motivational suggestion once in a while. as for not fitting in, i live in a very large city, yet i dont fit in at all here. out of my nieghborhood of thousands, i have two people who get my attitude towards stuff. i'm a gothic type of person, and i dont fit in at all at school. people will hold my opinions and beliefs against me. I seem to fit in because i hold my beliefs to myself most of the time. i think that a lot of people dont really like me, but they still talk to me, cause im just being a sociable person. if someone will not talk to me or accept me for being different, i will not go out of my way to try to talk to them either. with the anti-britney group and stuff like that, people will have their own group, and it may seem that you can fit in, but you have to stay on the edge of the group for a while and see what kind of people they are, or they will look at you like your nuts. well, if you wanna practice on your sociability, you always have us here to talk to. (sorry if some of this sounded like im bein a prick, but im rushing. im not thinking straight, cuz im running on 3 hrs. of sleep. sorry again)