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[MakgSnake]

Originally posted by Cannibal Clown

Oh, and i did get the oportunity to see the revolutions trailer at the end, and it looked f*cking great. can't wait to see Mr. Smith and Neo go at it once more. yay!

Yeah that sequence is in the RAIN outside (night time). It is said to be the most complicated action sequence ever in Hollywood industry.

[Chara]

Just as a fair warning my entire post may be one big spoiler so read at your own risk. With the disclamer out of the way, here we go:

Originally posted by Matrix

My big question is how did neo have access to his powers in the "real" world? You know the scene, when he stops the sentinel with his mind and goes into a coma!?!?!?!?

I dunno if anyone else answered this question (I didnt bother to read past your post ) but the reason he was able to control the sentinel was because of two things.

1) Either the "real world" is a second martix to trap people who broke out of the program or:

2) Neo realised that we can control machines since we made them. So stopping those sentinels was as easy as turning off any other machine.

I saw the movie on Friday and I loved it. My favorite part was when neo had that pipe and was fighting the agents. He sent them flying like baseballs. Me and my friends was laughing our butts off at that part. It was just too funny.

I also enjoyed the car chase with the ghosts. It was pretty cool how the ghosts just went in and out of the cars the way they did and when Morpheus fought the agent. But one pet peeve I had with morpheous fighting was when he jumped he never flew off the truck. If you jump as high as he did on something moving that fast, most likely you'll land on the road.

[MakgSnake]

Originally posted by Chara

. But one pet peeve I had with morpheous fighting was when he jumped he never flew off the truck. If you jump as high as he did on something moving that fast, most likely you'll land on the road.

They were in the Matrix, they can bend and brake the Matrix's rules, remember ?.? Thats why......they were doing any of those stuff.

[Azuma_Ninja]

This is a little off topic but I mean how do the agents cover scenes like that freeway incident up? If something like that were to happen anywhere I'm pretty sure the news would pick it up. And what happens when an agent takes control of someones body turning them into an agent, don't you think that the families of these people would start to wonder?

[Vicious_2003]

Thats what I wondered myself. I mean youd think with all that crazy shit happeneing every where people would catch on. But of course there could be one of many different explinations.(They could just erase all memmory of it from peoples minds or just cover it up to look like a normal incident) I just dont think they bothered to explain it for some reason. Also what happens to the people who the agents take over , do they simply return to normal and not remember anything ?.

[Redpyramidhead]

I think I might be able to help (I hope.)

The guy on the other table:

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The guy on the other table at the end of the movie indeed IS Smith who has infiltrated the Real World. Remember when those two guys were fighting the Smith clones and one escaped back out of the Matrix, but the other was copied into another Smith who then preceeded to pick up the telephone and teleport into the real world? Smith told Neo that he had freed him from being an agent (which are confined to the matrix) in the first movie and he was now able to copy himself for whatever reason (he's acting like a virus now if you ask me...and he has his own agenda.) Ok, now remember the guy who was slicing open his hand with some kind of claw and was following Neo as he was leaving Zion and boarding the Neva Canesser ship (did i spell that right)?? He was obviously planning on assasinating Neo. Agent Smith figures if he can't kill Neo in the Matrix he can certainly kill him in the real world by having a copy of himself take over the mind of a human who can leave the Matrix. That's the 1 guy who survived the Sentinels they were talking about. If I got anything mixed up somebody let me know!I'm pretty sure on this...it's just something you had to follow through the movie. What I'd like to know is how I know that but not his original name.

The reason Neo could stop the sentinels in the Real World is much more complicated and I'm not sure of my theory enough to say anything other than:

(Warning possibly a huge spoiler if I'm right...doubt it, though...)

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Since Neo was born hooked up into the Matrix (not Zion) and was apparently programmed from the beginning to be "the one" he is linked to the whole system...the same system the Sentinels belong too. The one was given the power to try and stop the MAtrix (or was he?? man that convo in that room was so so confusing...arrrghhhh.) If that's the case, that could mean he is linked to the sentinels by a program. Remember right before he turned around to stop them he said something about "wait a minute...I can feel them" ??
Anyways...I think I know now why Neo's in a coma and I have a theory as to how that will effect the next movie, but I refuse to tell you because if it's right it would give something huge away.
I'm probably wrong, though.

As you can see any theories directly regarding the Matrix vs. the Real World and how Neo fits into the whole picture seems to raise more questions than answers. Those Wachowski brothers!


One last thing and it's a question:

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So Zion was definately destroyed? Or do they have a chance to save it anyways? Did Neo's decision with the door have to do with permenantly preventing any future Zion (after being rebuilt or something?) from being destroyed? So confusing...
The preview for Matrix Revolutions made it look like they went back to Zion...or was I dreaming?

Great Great MOVIE!


_RED_ stuff

[MakgSnake]

I always knew I was right about this. When I saw the movie "Reloaded"..... we see a new operator for Morpheus's ship. His name is Blank, and his wife is Zee (The very HOT female in Zion).

Neway, she says in the movie that she lost two brothers to that ship and doesn't wanna lose Blank. Now that is incorrect...... because the two brother she is talking about are from part one. The body builder guy who infact did pass away, but TANK (the operator in the first film) didn't die at all. He survived but lost his left arm to cypher.

I always wondered why the makers of Matrix did that......its a huge story error. Which most probably many people must have noticed but today I read the news paper and saw that "TANK" (real name Marcus Chong) is sueing the makers of the Matrix for not putting him in the sequels. He also got the a contract in 2000 for the sequels. He also accused the film makers for "internationally publishing" false statements that he was a terrorist" and a conspiring to blackball him in hollywood.

Damn...I seriously dont feel very happy to see all this. The producers and even the brothers should be ashamed of this.

[dan da man]

I saw the matrix reloaded today, all in all it was good, my fav film ever is the matrix so I was hoping this one would be better, no way was it better than the first film, It was bad directing, I dont care if it is done by those brothers (the way the film was put toghether), fight, talk, fight, make luve, talk, fight, talk, fight, which I thought they would do a good job off, the scenes I liked best were the Neo fight secens and the car chase, every thing else was kind of boring, but it was telling you the story so that was ok. I would give it a 7/10 but it will most probally grow on me. I stay to the end, to watch the revolutions trailer looks good but a bit simlar to reloaded, good to see Smith and Neo go at it one more time.


And I totally agreed with makg, tank did not die, damn that was script, I cant believe they just got rid of him, and replaced him with a new guy, oh btw I agree that chick was hot.

[Zanku]

Originally posted by MakgSnake

His name is Blank

Whos Blank? Did i miss something in the film? I did go for a toilet during the council speak... Tank has been replaced by Link, the black man, with dreadlocks. Maybe Tank "died" from that awful wound he had? I know Dozer died, Cypher killed him with the electric gun, but definately didnt kill Tank straight away...but as i said, maybe he "died" - lol. I swear i saw Tank in one of the Trailers, maybe not...? I loved Tank in the first film, i thought Marcus Chong was a great actor, he really played the part...i just dont think Link did it for me, like how Tank did

When the Architect spoke in that room, he was so boring...i know i shouldn't say that but he really was boring as hell, he hardly made sense either, and i always found myself being confronted with things im expected to know...but as a matter of fact...i didnt.

I missed the Matrix 3 trailer...So i am downloading it right now.

I loved the film anyway, i dont know why but it reminds me loads about Dragonball Z, Neo being Goku, maybe even Gohan (with his hidden powers)... Especially when he flew from the mountains, it looked like something from Dbz. Maybe thats just me, i could just see a strong link between the two, i thought it the day i saw the first trailer for Reloaded...

[DragonSphere]

In regards to the Architect conversation (and the story itself):

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My sister suggested that the ones who'd probably understand that conversation the most would be programmers, since all his talk of anamolies and mathematical properties regarding both Neo's and the Matrix's creation are very similar to the workings of programs today.

As I understand it, like Makg said, there were 5 other Neos and Zion "incidents" previous to the current Neo we saw, as proved by the various television monitors in the Architect's room- which thus represented the reaction of the other Neos upon talking to the Architect themselves. But within those last 5 events, Zion was destroyed and all those other Neos failed. However, like the Architect said, he just rebuilds (correct me if I'm wrong) the Matrix once again, and in some ways, "better" than the ones before it. But, as with all things in life, the essential program of the Matrix has it own byproducts- in this case, the humans who find out about the machines and thus go against it (which also somehow leads to the re-construction of Zion). So, the Architect waits expectantly for "The One" to return and expects him to make a choice- not exactly the same one as before- but a choice all the same. So in many ways, the life of the Matrix and the people of Zion can best be described as a cycle, or loop, (at least within most of its lifetime).

Then with the whole prophecy thing, the sole reason the Oracle ("mother" of the Matrix?) was created was to serve under the Architect (though I can't remember for what reason). Eventually, however, she sided with the humans strife against the source and the machines, and soon created the "Prophecy of the One" to give the renegade humans some hope for their cause- but it was all a lie, as Neo said, since even false hope was suffiecient enough for the people to live on. And as we saw, Morpehus was especially crushed by this reality, as he based his entire life's work to the fulfillment of the prophecy. [Now this is where it gets kind of confusing, since Neo still has unforseen powers and incredible strength, and can supposedly transfer this to the real world; despite the real truth about the prophecy.]

But the whole point of the movie, as I think it is, was to witness that "this" Neo chose a much different path than his predecessors- unlike the last 5, for his love for Trinity were much more than what the Architect perhaps never predicted, and so saved her from death through the use of his powers. The only question is, what now? Neo has already been to the source, like the Oracle told him to, and chose a different decision in saving his love rather than the people of Zion from the inevitable invasion of the machines. Meanwhile, Agent Simth has become a "rebel" program of sorts as a result of the last fight with him and Neo, transferring some of his powers to himself, and- as stated in this thread before- is no longer confined to the virtual world of the Matrix. With the infected person on board the ship in the last scene, Smith is closer than ever in killing Neo for reasons unknown; along with hudnreds of Smith copies awaiting inside the Matrix.

So it'd be very interesting to see how the story unfolds in Revolutions.

I'm pretty sure at least half of it is correct, but as I've only saw the movie once, I can never be sure about the rest.

[goodman]

Saw it last night, unlike most people i wasnt a big fan of the original. So this was ok, but i still am not sure what the big deal is. Its got to be a generational thing, but thats ok, there is a big difference in the age gap so that must explain it... Keanu Reeves in a good movie is a malpropism in itself...

[MakgSnake]

Ok.... I have some assumptions of the movie. I have been thinkin alot about it....... You guys decide which one is actually right or could be right.

The reason Neo had the ability to control the machines in the REAL WORLD..... because.

1.) He is the "REAL"...The One.
2.) Zion is also some sort of a matrix within Matrix
3.) Neo is one of a kind who is PART MACHINE, PART HUMAN, thats why he can control Machines in Zion too.
4.) Just because of Trinity......
5.) Other.

Its really confusing what it could be....... but I am always at thinking, and keep discussing with everybody at work. My boss and other employes..

[Zanku]

Zion being a Matrix inside a Matrix is a good explanation, that also proves how Agent Smith came into the "real world" (in a more realistic way!)
Me and my mate was thinking that Neo is the only real "The One", which of course would be pretty plausible too, because Neo was the first one to take the other door, which shows he wasn't under control like everybody else.

[Vicious_2003]

Now of course I dont know anymore for sure than any of you do but saying zion is a matrix inside the matrix as some kind of fail safe seems absolutely ridiculous to me. As the architect explains zion and the one ar byproducts he is trying to erase from the system . Having a zion he says in many more words than that increases the probability of the anomole known as "The One". Besides if they controlled zion/the real world why would they have to drill to get into it. They could just delete it. Im guessing the reason Neo can stop machines in the real world now is explained some way or the other in Neo's conversation with the counselor on the engineering level. Its all about machines in the real world being controlled vs machines in the matrix and there ability to control. The counselor is basically saying there isnt much of a difference and he hopes Neo realizes that before its too late. (Wich makes me think that that specific counselor is a program himself, seems like everyone who guides Neo is)

The architect, as were calling him, also explains that the first matrix he tried to make was perfect. Im thinking he tried to make it almost like a heaven. But it was corrupted by humanities ingrown Grotesquerys* as he calls them. Then the oracle who was created to study humans showed him that it cant be made perfect , and that it has to be more like the real world was before the machines destroyed it. They then thought there was no need for her anymore after that . She then went into exile and went against the Machines . She explains that many programs facing deletion choose exile. Now she in all her infinite wisdom of how the matrix is meant to be run (Such as the path of "The One") is trying to help the humans defeat the machines.

Anyway in a nutshell for Neo I belive his powers are only limited by understanding. The more he understands things the stronger he gets (Such as using powers in the real world) . I think that because of the oracles speal about him having already made his choices and now he just needs to understand them or all is lost. I dont know how they will explain it exactly such as how it is physically possible for him to do what he does out of the matrix but I believe it will be along those lines

[Hero]

Spoiler: show

Neo is a program, just like the Oracle. The Architect gave a hint that he was when he said that there was an "Anamoly with the Matrix code" that appeared everytime. How can Neo be an anamoly of a program code, if he's not a program himself? Also, the French guy from the restaurant used the keymaker to get the key to terminate the Oracle. Seraph protects something else other than the Oracle, something the Oracle knows about but only Seraph is strong enough to protect. Agent Smith is a virus, and his sole purpose is to erradicate Neo, but he's getting out of control and he eventually spreads all over the Matrix world. Basically everyone in the Matrix... All innocent bystanders get turned into Agent Smiths.

Only read this spoiler if you want to know the fact, not an assumption.

[mark0™]

Originally posted by Zanku

Whos Blank? Did i miss something in the film? I did go for a toilet during the council speak... Tank has been replaced by Link, the black man, with dreadlocks. Maybe Tank "died" from that awful wound he had? I know Dozer died, Cypher killed him with the electric gun, but definately didnt kill Tank straight away...but as i said, maybe he "died" - lol. I swear i saw Tank in one of the Trailers, maybe not...? I loved Tank in the first film, i thought Marcus Chong was a great actor, he really played the part...i just dont think Link did it for me, like how Tank did

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Actor Marcus Chong has sued the makers of "The Matrix" for allegedly reneging on a promise to recast him as a freedom fighter in the 1999 sci-fi thriller's two sequels.

The lawsuit, filed on Friday in Los Angeles Superior Court, accuses Warner Bros. and parent company AOL Time Warner and the film's producers of breaching their 1998 oral agreement and a 2000 contract to revive his character, Tank, in the two sequels, and of slandering him.

Chong, 35, also accused the filmmakers of "intentionally publishing numerous false statements ... that he was a terrorist," and of conspiring to blackball him in Hollywood.

A bail receipt document posted on a fan Web site shows that Chong was arrested on Oct. 18, 2000 for allegedly making threats -- five days after his salary negotiations with the studio collapsed.

Film industry sources said the actor made repeated phone calls of a harassing nature to the filmmakers after his salary demands were not met. Tank was subsequently written out of the sequels and replaced with a character named Link.

A Warner Bros. spokesman and a spokeswoman for writer-directors Andy and Larry Wachowski declined to comment on the pending litigation.

Chong's attorney could not be reached for comment.

Released last week, "The Matrix Reloaded" enjoyed first weekend box office sales of $93.3 million -- higher than any R-rated film in U.S. history and No. 2 among all releases.

"The Matrix Reloaded" stars Keanu Reeves as a resistance fighter who battles an army of machines that seek to take control of the last human city, Zion. It will be followed in November by a third movie, "The Matrix Revolutions."

Linkz0r

There ya go.

Terrorist? Lol, I gonna see movie soon.

[dan da man]

Originally posted by MakgSnake



1.) He is the "REAL"...The One.
2.) Zion is also some sort of a matrix within Matrix

Its both of them. 100% sure.

[Vicious_2003]

Its both of them. 100% sure.

And umm..may I ask HOW so many of you are so sure that what you say is right. Unless you have some kind of superior source I dont know of id be willing to bet your opinions are no more reliable than anyone elses. And untill Its proven id bet against that Matrix within a matrix idea...seems rather foolish to me. (Then again I was sure the Phantom was a hoax and it turns out I was wrong,... so who knows)

[Deathwatchz]

I'm a little perplexed that people haven't seeen some of thses things, but here's my opinion..

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The "anomaly, as the arichitect put it, is the fact that a HUMAN, rather than a machine, can have acess to the program of the matrix. Whenevr these "anomalies" occur, the anomaly then releases some of the people from the matrix into th "real world", which is actually a failsafe version of the world to control the humans. If they knew about zion 5 times before, then why is it that 250,000 people got out before they destroyed it? it is simple, because they WANT people to escape. They are putting the "ones" through similar experiences so that they can truly understand why this occurs so that they can have a perfect matrix, therefore a perfect power source. These anomalies are allowed to occur so that they can be eliminated. If the machines eliminated zion 5 times before (as the architect stated) then WHY would they allow it to happen again, and would people have found the original zion and know that they would be killed too? The reason that neo ccan use ghis powers in the "real world" is because it is the matrix also, but the parameters of the program are much stricter to make the peiople think that the rules CANNOT be broken, therefore making them normal people, rather than the superhumans that all the released are. Neo realized this because he is the ONLY one NOT to go to the source. UIf you remember, the architect told him he could go to the matrix to save trinity and kill mankind (agent smith will continue to replicate and take over the whole matrix since he hates the matrix and the humans since he is the "virus") or he can go to the source and save zion. (destroying trinity, but actually destroying himself and allowing himself to be absorbed and analyzed by the system so all anomalies can be eliminated.) The reason that he can do these things is that he is the smartest of the ones, and also probably had a different life since he was "released" so late into his life. Neo was the best of the "ones" so far, and in my opinion will end the matrix forever

I will post more of my opinion later, i've gotta go to my next class....

[Evil Parrot]

???

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Ok, I need to pose a question for you guys. How could Morpheus not know about all this (destruction of Zion, new matrix, many 'ones' ect) already? If you remember the first movie, Morpheus said that he was freed by the previous 'one' so if what the architect said was true, Morpheus wasn't killed during the destruction of Zion so therefore he must have been one of the 10 chosen to re-build Zion. Could he have amnesia or what because surely he would remember something like that?