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[Bhcdarkness]

yeah, giving birth to a child is like trying to shit a watermelon. according to my mom. lol.

i agree with reid. its a situation based opinion for me.

if some girl gets date raped or whatnot, then i absloutley agree that she doesnt have to bear that child. and if she did, the child and the mother would both be absolutley miserable.

my mother was in the other situation though... she was in a relationship, and was carless, and got pregnate. her boyfriend ditched her. she decided to have the baby, and put it up for adoption... just last year (almost 25 years later) he found us. he found my mother. and he is one the the most intresting people ive ever met. and my mother is such a strong woman from this situation.

it would seem that im inclined to agree to just bear the child, but im not. its defenatly a situation based opinion for me.

[jenova_jeb]

Well, if someone is raped, it usually seems terrible at the time that they would have to bear the child and raise them on their own, but there are so many mothers out there that were raped, and decided to still have the child. Now, they can't imagine living without him/her.

Just a thought.

[jenova_jeb]

"Can God make a rock so big that he can't lift it?"

Very interesting question Bhcdarkness. The Bible says God can do anything but fail. I know one thing though, he can make one big enough that you can't lift it .

[happy_doughnut]

Ha, funny.

Anyway, various statements that have been made have caught my attention. First off, I can asure that giving birth to a child is very painful indeed. Yet, is that a reason to abort it? If you think it is, then you are very ridiculous.

Also, if you are in a "stable" marriage, the father should have a say. Afterall, a child has two progenitors, not one. Adding to this, why should a married couple be given the choice to be able to abort? If they did not want it, why not use protection? In the event that such protection should happen to fail, the child should be had, for the mistake was done by the parents and therefore, they must abide by it.

A rape victim's case is different, yet it still doesn't make it right. True, it may not have been the victim's fault but if one horrendous mistake has already been made, why make another?
Whether she wants to recognize it or not, the child is still hers.
If she thinks she cannot handle the costs of having a child, she could always opt for adoption.

No matter what the case may be, aborting a child is wrong.
Most women that have aborted a child dearly regret it. It's true that not all, for those who don't are vile mothers.

I think that when one has the opportunity of choosing, there will always be a choice which is better that the other. But as we narrow it down, it'll all depend on the person and their moral beliefs.

[Pu the Owl]

I can't say I'm pro or against it.

In certain cases abortion is necessary or at least not a wrong way to manage the problem.
In some others is just a way people use to get rid of what they consider a bother.
I guess the debate shouldn't focus on "Abortion: wrong or not" because you can express your opinions, but considering all the abortion cases in the same way is nothing but nonsense.

[merylsilverburg]

My God. I really don't like talking about this subject, mainly because this subject brings about a LOT of arguing and disagreements, but it's a good thing members here are very open, so this thread isn't getting out of hand. As for me, I agree with a lot of people on here, but I'll just say my opinion:

Abortion is neither wrong or right. It really depends on the situation. I agree that it's up to both parents to decide whether the child should be born or not, but in some cases, that's not always possible. I think abortion is good, IF a woman gets raped and wants to get rid of the baby. Now, hold on.....there are many reasons to this. 1) A teenager gets raped and wants to get rid of the baby because she doesn't want to live with the burden of bringing this child into the world against her will. 2) The teenager doesn't want to disappoint or scare her parents. Why? Many teens who get raped are very afraid to tell their parents because they feel the parents would blame them for the act and disown them for being a "*****". Many teens think that parents would not support them, and that's true in some cases. Parents sometimes don't understand the situation, so they become frustrated and blame their daughter for this happening. These are the types of parents who....when worried....tend to get frustrated and mad, instead of being kind and supportive. They show their concern through anger, even though they do care. (But some parents really DON'T care). In other cases, the parents do support their daughter and understand that it was the sick, twisted guy who caused the problem, so they are in support. These types of parents show it in a caring way. But, in a teenage mind.....they immediately think, "My parents will be disappointed in me." So, they get the abortion to save themselves and their parents. 3) If it's a teenager, who knows she will not be able to get support from her family, and will not be able to bring the baby up, all by herself, it's better to get an abortion. That way, the child wouldn't have to suffer through life without a good home enviroment, caring and kindness, and (if it's a raper or a "father" who decides not to take responsibility) a whole family. I understand that a lot of families get by without fathers/mothers, but in this case, a teenage girl....all alone, with a child to take care? It would be tough, and she doesn't want the kid to go through that.
If a woman gets raped and decides to get an abortion, there could be reasons too: 1) Let's say the father is a drunk, abuser, etc. He goes off and rapes her, then IF she had the kid, the kid would have to grow up....watching day after day, his/her mother get beaten up, yelled at, etc. Also, the child would have to take the abuse also, because if a father is an abuser and drunk....there's no way in hell he'll just beat up the mom and not the kid. That's just not even possible. If the mom goes down, the kid gets it too. 2) The woman gets raped.....she's a business woman who has no time to raise a kid.....it's better she gets an abortion. When the kid grows up without his/her mother around most of the time....the kid will likely get into more trouble, than a child who has a parent around to keep him/her disciplined. Is that better? To have a child born, only to have the kid get into loads of trouble and eventually get killed, because they decided to join a gang or use drugs? And, if the mother actually does care about her child, but just doesn't have the time for him/her....it will break her heart to see her child get into so much trouble, all because she's never there to properly take care of him/her. She would wish she never brought the kid to this world, because it hurts her to see her child go through that.
If the teenager/woman gets raped and doesn't get an abortion and the father is gone.....she'll have to go through with the burden of bringing this child into the world without proper preparations and training. That could cause many problems to the kid as s/he matures. If the teenager/woman DOESN'T get raped and still has a father or wanted a child by her choice....then I'd say, "Congrats." However, if the woman/teen wants a child through her choice, she'll have to realize the major responsibilties that follows having a child. I don't like woman who, at first, say they want a child, but later on....decides a kid is just too much. By then...the child is already born, so it's too late! I feel like saying, then DON'T have the kid, if you know you're not going to be responsible even if you say you are. Anyway....I've dragged on long enough. There's more for me to say, but I'll just bore you guys to death. It's up to the situation really. I'm not against or pro, I'm just saying it depends on the situation and if an abortion really calls for it. If so, then do it. If not, then keep the child.

[Cannibal Clown]

I can't say anything that hasn'r been said already. I wish I was able to get to this thread earlier. Anyways, I'm againsed abortion, but still, in the event or rape, I would sympithise with the woman all the way and say that she has every right to get an abortion. But, under the circumstances that she wasn't raped at some rave party where she got totally drunk and drugged on her own, and new that she was in a bad niegborhood or something. Then it's kinda just asking for it. Abortion is only if you had nothing to do with the pregnancy and there was no way for you to prevent the situation.



I have another question to bring up in this thread. What do you guys think of the "Day After" pill. Where you take a pill thge night after you get drunk and had unsafe sex, or if you just didn't have protection and felt that you could take care of the problem the morning after. So you take this pill that destroys the egg, or stops the production process or something like that.

Do any of you agree with taking a pill like that? Because it's pretty much the same thing, just that you don't know if you're pregnatnt or not, just making sure that if you are, it wont be a problem. What's your opinion? Just curious.

[happy_doughnut]

It's wrong. Anything that takes the life away of another being, especially a complete innocent one, is wrong;no exception. If anyone should die, it should be the person who takes the pill. That should serve them right. Hmph.

[merylsilverburg]

Well, even though you might think it's wrong, there are other people who might think differently. You can't change their opinions no matter how many times you say it's wrong.

[Cannibal Clown]

I don't want to sound like an ass hole, but lately, it seems like a lot of people are becoming very defencive of their opinion. Not only for this thread, but for a lot of them in these forums. I'd just like to remind people that everyone has their own opinion, and though you can try to pursuade them to think otherwise, you have no right to put someone down because of what their feelings toward a specific topic is.

These threads aren't meant to tell people what to do and think, just to hear the ideas and opinios of others, and we have to respect what they have to say. As long as it's meant only to say what they believe, but when it gets to the point that we try to insult people by what we think, then it gets a bit out of hand.

Just wanted to throw that in, because we seem to be getting a lot more strongly debatable threads here, and I feel that I have to remind people to respenct others opinions.

That is all, you may resume conversation.

[merylsilverburg]

You're not being an ass hole for stating that, Cannibal, because you're right, and I agree with you. On some other forums and threads that I've been reading and discussing with, there's been a lot of heated arguments and bashing. Cannibal already stated everything, so there's nothing else to say, except, please respect other's opinions no matter how much you feel strongly on an idea or topic. Everyone is entitled to speak their mind, but please just don't bash others or try to persuade them to your opinion.

[nanjij]

if u hear wot they do to the baby to terminate it its just sickning