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[merylsilverburg]

I didn't exactly read this entire thread, only up to the 2nd page, so if I am repeating what some of you guys said, then I apologize. Anyway, here are my thoughts:
It's not wrong to be gay, les., or bisexual or whatever. They are still normal human beings, so they should just be treated just the same. The only difference is that they like guys or girls or both. I don't have a problem against them; it actually saddens me when I read stories of people getting killed just for being gay or a lesbian. Calling them f*gs is also inappropriate too and very immature and just proves that you're ignorant. They were just born that way and it's their nature and no one can change that. If you don't accept it, that's fine and if you do, then hey, cool.

I also agree with some of you that gays or lesbians show their "pride" too much though. I mean.....I don't have a problem with the Gay Parade, but here are my thoughts on why I think gays and lesbians try their very best to express themselves:
It's because of ignorant people who can't accept them for who they are, which is why they try so hard and why they have parades to show their pride and all. They just want to make sure that everyone knows that they are the way they are and that they're proud of it. Sure, I know that some of you guys say that "Okay, so you're gay, there's no need to keep showing off you're pride" but in their case, it's not so and it's all because of ignorant and discriminatory people who think it's wrong. If everyone could just understand that they are the way they are.....then they just might lighten up on the "pride" thing.

As for me, I don't have a problem with them at all, though sometimes when I know they are gay, lesbian, or bisexual I get a little uncomfortable, but that's because it's just something that I'm not used to. In my mind, I'm just thinking "Oh wow...this person is "gay, les. or bi"' but in reality.....I don't care. I'm totally cool with them being whoever they are. However, if they keep pushing it (like making out with their significant other almost ALL the time just to prove it again and again) then I would get slightly annoyed. If I were to have a friend, I would like to have a gay friend more than a lesbian friend. Here's why:
Gay guys are just more better to talk with because they're not as uptight as lesbians. What I mean is....when you encounter a lesbian, they really do try so hard to prove that they like chicks and all men suck. I mean, there are a few lesbians who come into the place where I work and they all have that "Women Rule" vibe. It's annoying. While on the other hand, there's this gay guy who comes in and yes, he will beat you to a pulp if you offend him but otherwise, he's intellectual and kinda open to talk with. He's more of the "male" counterpart in the relationship, if you guys know what I mean. But, yeah.....in the end, there's nothing wrong with gays, lesbians, or bisexuals and though you don't have to accept them for what they are...they're still human and they can't change the way they are, no matter how much you force them.

EDIT: I had just finished reading every page and I have to say: I'm quite furious. I usually don't like to get mad, but after what that Lava guy has to say.....damn, I'm quite pissed. Look...I see his point, but s/he doesn't understand that they cannot change who they are....it's not a choice! If it was a damn choice, then why do so many people suffer when they are gay and do not want to be gay to be considered "normal", but end up to still being gay? It's not because they're not "strong enough" to change themselves...it's because they can't. I'm tired right now and getting cranky, so I'd better stop.

[Frozen]

Heh, I'm glad I'm a friend of someone as wise as Meryl-chan Definitely, opression brings all that kind of reactions, if you may call it that way, and I'm pointing towards the gay parades and such.

And well, definitely ignorance and stupidity is what brings all these kind of problems. Although I already said what I think about homosexuality and I stand to it even if I am called ignorant for that, is just what I feel deep inside me, that I'll never understand why homosexuality exists, if we are men and women, and are biologically "manufactured" to complement each other, and I'm not just pointing only towards sex if that's what you folks are thinking I mean, in general. But well, definitely, everyone's costumes, traditions, beliefs, and behaviors must be respected and accepted, as long as they don't bring harm or trouble to the rest of the ppl.

The problem is that ppl is stupid and they all want to force their beliefs above everybody else and that's why what happens happens. That's why I think the romans were so cool. They had it easy

[merylsilverburg]

Thanks, Frozen-sama. But, really....I don't have a problem with a person if they don't like homosexuals, but it just really saddens and slighty angers me when they continue to call them names or say they're disgusting (not and I repeat not pointing any fingers) or try to shun them for being who they are. It's not their fault and it's just really sad to hear their stories of their suffering or the abuse they had to take. What's worse is if their own parents can't understand about their situations....then it's just depressing. I mean...sure.....it's not normal to be a homosexual......but there are many things that people do that are not normal either or a part of the society we live in. Homosexuals are just very unique individuals (if you want to put it that way) but they're still human.

[Solidus]

I think it's completely normal. And I think this thread is offensive to others, can a mod close this?

- Solidus, report done.

[Spirit]

I dont think this is a subject that needs to be closed. Personally I like girls... a lot and I don't mind gay people at all. Its them trying to hit on me is what pisses me off. If you're gay, fine but please check to make sure the people you're hitting on are as well =P

[Frozen]

I don't either see any reason for this thread to be closed, we're supposed to be talking about the matter between mature, intelligent people.

Meryl-chan, I know that at least you didn't point any fingerst o me I also think it's sad that ppl discriminates homosexuals and that is real bad. But as I said, mmost of people is stupid nowadays. I don't have problems with homosexuals either. As I said before, I have a lesbian and a bisexual friend who are dear to me.

I've never had a gay friend, or at least that I have noticed, but I don't think I would have a problem with that, but as Spirit said, if one of them begins to mess up with me I'll beat his a§§ down. Otherwise I'm cool

[Cannibal Clown]

I always feel terrible when a real deep and controversal thread like this is open, and i have nothing intelegent to say. I have no real aquaintences that are gay or lesbian. I have never been around anyone like atht, and i have no experience being in those kinda situations.

I still like to try to just picture everyone as a normal person, and i get really aangry at people who don't take matters like this in a mature way. But allin all, i would feeel oquard around a gay or lesbian person. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but that's just the way i am.

I do though, have a really good friend who is Bi, but i never see that side of her, and only hear stories, so it doesn't really effect me. But i do feel odd talkignto her, knowing that she does have odd little after schoiol hobbies like that.

I heard about stories from before i came to highschool about a couple of guys who put a gay person in a hospital and nothing rea;lly happenedf to the guys who did it. That pissedme off a lot, bvut i also tyhough to myself if i would go up and defends them if i was there.

[Mistah Big]

First of all, you choose to be gay. That's how it goes. You're not born being gay. You can say that I'm wrong all that you want. And most of the time it's guys that are confused, or guys that have never gotten any women that turn gay(in my experience anyway) I don't go out and beat the crap out of a gay guy or anything. I just think it's nasty to see a guy and guy kissing, but hey, that's just me. I personally think it's not a good thing to be gay, mentally and healthwise. But once again, that's my opinion and I don't go out and enforce it on anybody.

[Carlito]

I don't want this thread to be closed just because I think some serious discussion, other than talking about movies or videogames, is good.
But just a note: be careful when you talk of other people in a certain way when you say "It's my personal idea". The fact you're expressing yourself doesn't mean you can say whatever you want. It's not limitation of free speech, but respect. Respect towards people you don't know, mainly. Your idea, being this a public place, doesn't necessarily involve offences or calling people "disgusting". If you want to say such things, don't post at all, or just try to control your way of talking. It's not your right to judge and many people here expressed some ideas that sound more like judgements than mere opinions.
Please, keep this on mind and respect others' choices.

[BlackThornn]

First of all, "Mistah Big", you're wrong. And I suspect you've only ever even encountered homosexuals in passing ("seeing guys kissing", etc.)

I'm not gonna bother dredging up this argument again, but presented in such an immature little way I also suspect you're about sixteen. Go out and have some life experiences before you post an opinion on a board like this.

Not all homosexuals are born that way, but the FACT is that it is not a choice, concious or subconcious, in most, or at least a great many cases.

[Mistah Big]

Originally posted by BlackThornn
First of all, "Mistah Big", you're wrong. And I suspect you've only ever even encountered homosexuals in passing ("seeing guys kissing", etc.)

I'm not gonna bother dredging up this argument again, but presented in such an immature little way I also suspect you're about sixteen. Go out and have some life experiences before you post an opinion on a board like this.

Not all homosexuals are born that way, but the FACT is that it is not a choice, concious or subconcious, in most, or at least a great many cases.

Heh, actually I know some. Actually I'm 18, almost 19. And I have heard and seen alot of things in my short life Well once you have been all messed up, of course you won't want to go back to being straight. Because all you would know is being with guys, and trying to get with a girl would make you feel like you're doing the wrong thing.

[BlackThornn]

..Key word, kiddo. SHORT LIFE.

Just because you've come across a couple of confused teenagers doesn't mean you automatically know wether or not it's a choice.

Oh, and by the way.. That post? Made no sense. Probably why I'm not flaming you.. *chuckles*

[Mistah Big]

Originally posted by BlackThornn
..Key word, kiddo. SHORT LIFE.

Just because you've come across a couple of confused teenagers doesn't mean you automatically know wether or not it's a choice.

Oh, and by the way.. That post? Made no sense. Probably why I'm not flaming you.. *chuckles*

Heh, keyword Chuckles. What's your point?

Heh, when did I ever say they are teenagers?

Heh, sorry, I guess I have to start speaking your language. *clears his throat* Yo Yo Yo, I thinks that once you get wit a guy, you don't know anything else from that G-Slice. Since you have never been wit a chick before Yo Because every gay dude that I know has never been wit a chick before.

[Rei]

Maybe you don't know many homosexually oriented people, but you know, there are many, the greatest part of them, that actually had experiences with women and suffered a lot because they were not made for having a relationship with them and discovered it after being together with a woman.

[Evil Parrot]

Originally posted by Mistah Big
First of all, you choose to be gay. That's how it goes. You're not born being gay.

Were you born hetrosexual? I'm pretty sure you were, as were I. When you stared going through the 'change of life' as a teenager, I bet you didnt have a choice with the sex of the person you were attracted to. Its the same with gay people. They didnt 'choose' who they were attracted to, their instincts and feelings drove them in that direction.

I used to be homaphobic (also known as homophobia ) until i met some gay people about 5 years ago. I realised then that I was being quite shallow in my opinions and should accept people for who they are, and not their preference in partners. Judging them for being different is the same as judging someone for having a different religion or colour.

What I'm basically saying is, gay people are normal. We shouldnt think of them as anything but that.

[Mistah Big]

Look, I'm just telling you the truth. I don't really care if you agree with me or not. Just telling you like it is.

[BlackThornn]

Well, gosh darn. You must have THE highest level of intelligence I've seen in a while, Mistah Big. -_-

Don't speak your goddamn ebonics and claim it's MY language. And what you're telling is not the truth, you are not a scientist (you haven't even become a sophomore in college yet), you aren't gay (are you?? Hmmmmm?) and you obviously do not have anyone that you CARE about that is gay, that you saw go through that change.

What you are spouting here is nothing but your own uneducated little opinion.. and the truth is that you are mucking up the serious and mature conversation that was STARTING to spring up in this thread, after zealots like Lava left.

[Mistah Big]

Originally posted by BlackThornn
Well, gosh darn. You must have THE highest level of intelligence I've seen in a while, Mistah Big. -_-

Don't speak your goddamn ebonics and claim it's MY language. And what you're telling is not the truth, you are not a scientist (you haven't even become a sophomore in college yet), you aren't gay (are you?? Hmmmmm?) and you obviously do not have anyone that you CARE about that is gay, that you saw go through that change.

What you are spouting here is nothing but your own uneducated little opinion.. and the truth is that you are mucking up the serious and mature conversation that was STARTING to spring up in this thread, after zealots like Lava left.

So if I was a scientist, everything that I say would be true?? Where is the logic in that?? No I'm not a sophomore in college, what's your point? I'm not gay, what's your point? I do know three guys that I grew up with, that recently turned gay or came out of the closet(whatever you want to call it) Heh, I could say the same about your opinion Straight Pride

[Cannibal Clown]

it's amazing how fast a serious argumental discussion can turn into an irrelevent cat fight between two members.

Perhaps both of you shold take a little rest and think things over a bit.

[BlackThornn]

*chuckles* Sorry, CC. I just can't abide ignorant fools who proclaim thier opinion about something to be fact without even backing it up with solid points.

*slaps mistah big on ignore* There we go. Problem solved.