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[Hero]

Mandy, I don't think that's necessarily true. I believe you set yourself up to be who you are. I stay in shape on purpose and I take care of myself. If you're out of shape or not so good looking, and you think you're not so good looking, then you should work on it to a point where you can look in the mirror and think, "I'm happy with the way I look". If you're not happy with the way you look, then you can't blaim others for not being happy with it either.

In older times, overweight women were more attractive than thin women, and even now there are guys that are more attracted to overweight women. Back then, I'm sure it was hard for thinner females that had a strong metabolism.

In any case, I'm not looking for a girl that's great looking, but I feel that if I want a girl that's cute, then my desires should be sought. That's not the primary thing that I'm after, but you shouldn't use a kindergarden form of judgement in perspective. "People can be beautiful on the inside". They're not necessarily beautiful on the inside, if they let themselves get out of shape and go a certain amount of time without trying to make their self image more satisfying to themselves. I've met girls that do nothing but mope around and say "I'm ugly and fat". And I finally just told them, "Complaining is part of realization, and that's the first step, the next step is doing something about it" If you're not going to do anything about it... Don't complain.

Right now for example, I'm not complaining nor am I sad, I'm just starting to believe that love is just some hyped up, unreachable feeling that is shrouded by superficiality and high standards.

I don't think I'm good looking... Don't get me wrong, I don't think I'm bad looking either, but what a girl looks for in a guy can be almost exactly opposite of what a guy looks for in a girl. Most girls look for a guy with a good future set up for himself, who has a funny personality and won't cheat. I am that guy, but I haven't found the girl looking for that, that I am looking for as well.

Another thing I can't stand, is when people tell me "Don't look for a girl, let her find you" HAHAHAHA, yeah like anyone's gonna get anywhere if they all sit around and wait for someone.

[Pu the Owl]

I'm not sure the idea we usually have in mind when we think about love is real. Love changes its meaning depending on the person. For one person love is sacrifice, for another having a crush. And so forth. You and that girl probably don't share the same point of view on this matter. Or simply, she doesn't love you at all. Does she necessarily have to? Probably she just likes the feeling of having a crush on someone. That definitely is not love. Or maybe, it is love for the self.

[Gadzoox]

Originally posted by Hero
Another thing I can't stand, is when people tell me "Don't look for a girl, let her find you" HAHAHAHA, yeah like anyone's gonna get anywhere if they all sit around and wait for someone.

You got THAT right!!

I stand beside Fortune on this one. She's got the right idea here. *nodnod*

[Hero]

Originally posted by DigiMortal

bah! you're just evil incarnate.

DigiMortal
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I'm in DigiMortal's fan club... I'm gonna buy the shirt.

[ssjtrunks13]

Hero, I've never really had any friends except for a couple. I met this girl one time that I liked a lot and I knew she liked me too, but I ended up moving without letting her know. At the school I'm going to now I've learned that I would never be with anyone I go to school with. I'm sure there's someone else out there for ya, I've found that someone else now and she told me that she likes me for me and not particularly for how I look. I also think she's cute and I know that she may not be what other guys would go for but I still love her. I don't know why I'm saying this or exactly what I would like you to get out of this.

[Hylas]

Love exists, sadly. The problem is that most of the time you love someone who doesn't love you at all or that completely ignore your existance.

[MakgSnake]

Originally posted by Hylas

Love exists, sadly. The problem is that most of the time you love someone who doesn't love you at all or that completely ignore your existance.

Thats not love, thats "Infatuation". Love doesn't exist.... cause "LOVE" is suppose to be "FOREVER".... stay forever, if in the future it doesn't, it means it was never love. Simple as that. .......

A guy and girl marry, they "say" they are in love.... after 5 years things get messy, they end up in a divorce. They hate each other then...... (all those five years weren't love it was bullsh*t). Love is forever. If you cannot love someone forever its not love. And "IF" you do end up in a relationship (marrige) that lasts till your death..its a fluke. Like I said, Love is fluke.

And I agree with SSSnake on everything.

[Hylas]

There is indeed someone who loves someone else forever, even when he/she ends marrying another person. Love is a fluke for you Magk, not for anyone in this world...

[MakgSnake]

Originally posted by Hylas

There is indeed someone who loves someone else forever, even when he/she ends marrying another person. Love is a fluke for you Magk, not for anyone in this world...

Yeah thats what I said.... "Thats what I believe in".... but then like you said..... even if the other person marrys someone else.....it'll still be called infatuation.......in my book. Theres alot more meaning to love then just adoring a person for life. Love is way more deep then that. You say you LOVE someone, but for all you know its just a crush, and only if once that same person does something bad on you, you start brabing how stupid he/she is.... and all. Its just a matter of seconds or minutes.

But then everybody has their own beliefs.........

[ssjtrunks13]

The stuff Makg sounded pretty deep to me. Though I will still go on and whatever happens I'll be fine with it.

[Pu the Owl]

Not to sound rude guys, but if you really agree with Makg, your views on love and its meaning are really superficial and cynical. Infatuation is a thing, love is another. If you believe in what Makg said, you only know infatuation and not love. Love is so complex, that you can't say it doesn't exist because you've never experienced it. At least to me that is.

[dan da man]

Originally posted by Fortune

Not to sound rude guys, but if you really agree with Makg, your views on love and its meaning are really superficial. Infatuation is a thing, love is another. If you believe in what Makg said, you only know infatuation and not love. Love is so complex, that you can't say it doesn't exist because you've never experienced it. At least to me that is.

Eeeerrr, I agree with Fortune about what makg said, but makg said **But then everybody has their own beliefs......... ** yea true, but love is something diffrent to everyone.

[MakgSnake]

Originally posted by Fortune

Not to sound rude guys, but if you really agree with Makg, your views on love and its meaning are really superficial and cynical. Infatuation is a thing, love is another. If you believe in what Makg said, you only know infatuation and not love. Love is so complex, that you can't say it doesn't exist because you've never experienced it. At least to me that is.

Thats what I am saying, love and infatuation are two different things. Do not mix them up....... and "THINK" wrong of it. All my conclusions are upon that "love is forever" because it is.... love cannot be for 2 weeks or for 3 months. Thats crap in my opinon. If you love someone, its there forever......and if you ever stopped, it never was!.!

[Pu the Owl]

Originally posted by dan da man
yea true, but love is something diffrent to everyone.

Exactly, that's what I said in my first post in this thread: anyone has a different view on love's meaning. But you can deny the existance of something because you don't know it or because you think it'll never happen to you to experience it. That's what I said.

[mark0™]

Love... Don't need it, not just now anyways.

[Pu the Owl]

Originally posted by goodman
Because your love and happiness isnt dependent on others, you already have it so what another person does is relatively inconsequential...

That is so completely right: basically love starts with love for yourself. And happiness is a consequence of it IMO. If you have no respect or love for yourself, you can't declare you love others. It'd be unfair and tragically false. Also, if your love is limited to the love for the self, you'll never be able to experience its real meaning and depth. Love is not simply love for another person. That's one kind of love, surely not its highest form. Infatuation ain't a form of love at all. It's a form of interest and nothing else.

[MakgSnake]

Originally posted by Fortune

Love is not simply love for another person. That's one kind of love, surely not its highest form. Infatuation ain't a form of love at all. It's a form of interest and nothing else.

Yeah, there are different kinds of love, but what we were mostly talking about here in this thread was the kind of love for another person (and mainly opposite sex). Thats what Hero questioned about.

So people think that I dont love my family or they dont love me?. Ofcourse they do and I love them back. But that love is different. Just like I love Video Games, and trust me games have given me bad grades and have grounded me for months, but I havn't stopped loving VideoGames for that. <--- thats another form of love for things.

goodman said you start from loving yourself (THAT IS LOVE) because you never stop loving yourself, you doubt yourself but never stop no matter what happens. So yeah that is love....... you love your family, and no matter what they do in the end you help them out and think best for them...... YOU SEE that is love, cause its staying there forever........ just like I said LOVE IS FOREVER.

But if you are loving someone and end up hating him/her, it was never love.....

[Pu the Owl]

Well, hate and love are extremely similar. If you end hating someone, it can be you loved him/her before. If love turns into indifference, that wasn't love IMO.

[Hero]

Just like we make our own Gods, we make our own opinions on what love is. Wouldn't you agree that if you're the only one that believes in love in the way you do, then love doesn't exist for you?

I believe in what Makgsnake is saying, love is more than just a fling. Love is a powerful feeling, and "til death do you part" is also important, because it means you would die for that person, live for that person, and if that person should die, you will still stay devoted to them even until you yourself die.

Love is the unconditional feeling of wanting to satisfy the other person. Make them laugh, smile, feel safe and keep them healthy. You basically become their second half and you need them as much as they need you. That is true love. I would die for a girl I care about, much more would I die for a girl I love. In fact, I would take it further, I would suffer the greatest fear and endure the most pain to make sure a person I love is safe.

Makgsnake, there are some exceptions however... You can love someone and still get in arguements with them, depending on how the arguements end. A relationship isn't a real relationship without settling differences. I can get into a fight with a girl and still love her, because after the arguement, two things happen.

The first thing is that we know something about the other person that we didn't before, that we can recognize. The second thing is that our love for each other stands taller because even after a difficult situation, you stay together.

The way I will know I'm in love, is when I'm laying next to her, (who ever it may be), and when I wake up from rest, I don't feel empty inside. Every day I wake up and I feel like I have too much to do, and my purpose has not been met. When I feel like everythings okay as long as this girl is next to me, then I'll know I love her.

[Uchiha Sasuke]

Originally posted by goodman

Another thing that bears mentioning is that it takes quite a long time before you truely know how much you love someone. So those of us who fall in love real fast, nah that isnt love, that may very easily be infatuation. What you will find is an early attraction and desire to be with a person and then over several months into years develop a strong sense of love towards that person. It takes a lot of time and effort to be in a good to great relationship, without the serious desires of both individuals it wont work, there has to be a cohesive union between the two before you really know anything about each other...

Man goodman thats exactly what I got and you are Very correct.I had feeling for this one girl for years and I still do.I want so badly to be with her and it makes me happy to see her smile at me everyday.The only real sad thing is that she doesn't feel the same about me as I do her, so there can't be a complete connection there .Anyways love does exsist for some people but a lot is lust which some marriages are baised on.Thats why there are so many loveless marriages after while,which lead to break up.