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Originally posted by ToxicUK
OK sop then if you think those are art then what about these examples???
1 - An ameoba - describe how that is art.
2 - When youre sick
3 - If something catches fire or explodes
4 - Dog food.
5 - An old stick thats in many bits in a white padded cell.
OK... I think I proved my point.
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Sure, I would like to take a lovely little crack as to why these things are art.
First of all, the funny thing is, these are all the exact sort of things people have been depicting in art since the beginning of time!
1. An amoeba is a simple lifeform. It' s beauty lies in the fact that something so incredibly simple can be alive and EXIST and SURVIVE in such a huge cruel environment on it's own accord. It is a creation of billions of years of evolution where DNA slowly programmed it to adapt to the ever changing Earth which is a process in it's own right a work of art. It is just like an artist at his easle painstakingly designing a landscape that in his own mind works.
2. Sickness has been the object of art in paintings, drawings, poetry, music, etc. longer as long as human beings have suffered both physical illness and mental illness and the gift of self-awareness. In your posts you seem to have the pattern of thinking anything deemed as "negative" by the mainstream to not be true art. If that were the case, then everything that were considered art would then have to be aesthetically pleasing to everybody, despite their own pent up emotional issues inside that might cause any kind of instantaneous or stirred revulsion. IN fact, that in itself could be an art. If the artist were to be able to learn to play with the minds and emotions of his audience (which is the key to "pleasant" or "positive" artwork as well) than he has accomplished a truly incredible feat.
Sickness, sadness, torment, disease, pestilence, filth, squalor, agony, are all such basic aspects of the human condition and are in essence what make us the very human beings that we are because out gift is that we are NOT perfect and the beauty of it and our outlet is that we can express all of these things in artistic ways knowing that it will always work because it is an art in itself, being as much a part of the human soul, if not more, than happiness and healthiness.
3. You really can't see the artistic value in something catching fire or exploding? OK, maybe here is something you can understand right away. You play videogames, do you not? You watch movies with special effects I assume? These types of special effects cause emotional reactions in people based on the way they look, sound, and timing (a unique form of art special to the moving film and videogames.) In each case, a director or videogame developer (also cinemaphotogaphers, scriptwriters, etc.) decided when and how the explosion would happen, what they should look and sound like to gauge audience reactions. Does this sound at all familiar to you? as to how a painter might go about making a painting?
Don't even get me started on how artistic it is to see one of these natural wonders occur in nature!
4.Dog food, eh? I bet you thought you stumped us with that one didn't you?
First of all, look at the aesthetic appearance again. Everything from the commercial on the cover of the box to the food itself was arranged in colors and certain shapes to attract the dog owner to that particular brand. THe artists in commercial graphic design and such went through tons of research of what is pleasing for people to look at to make their dog food sell more than the others. These people went to an ART school for this!
Then there's the chemical artists who mix together the artificial flavors and aromas so your dog will eat it.
Don't even get me started on the process of said creature consuming said food then all the systems falling into place inside it's body which is a work or art in itself.
5.Hmmm...a stick in many bits in a white padded cell. Dude, I'm already having emotional reactions to this one. IN fact, it sounds as if you are describing a very painting itself. It would be the perfect subject for one. What's the story behind this stick? Why is it broken and in a white padded cell? I feel anger and loneliness and abandonment here. Maybe a man was confined to this cell because the world gave up on him, and the only comfort he had was this stick, but when it broke because it was the only thing he had to break to fight himself through the pain there was no reason left to exist. Or maybe, the stick itself represents the broken man. I could go on forever with this one. Man, you just told me a whole story and you didn't even know it! Could it be that somewhere, beneath all that doubt of what art really is that you, yourself, are an artist?
As I said before, the things you listed have been the subject of art for ages, not to mention when they already were even before people came along. People do not have to make art, although they are certainly interesting subjects of it.
Anyways, I jusyt hope that you learn to look at the world in a slightly different way. Gadzoox has already said most of it, and so has Fortune.
Don't forget the highest form of art around these forums, either! Videogames!
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