[BlackThornn]

Originally posted by DigiMortal

it's amusing the way some on the left act as though France is motivated by purely humanitarian considerations. France and Russia were the two major powers responsible for the breakdown of the previous inspection regime and are two of the leading oppositionists to forcible regime-change in Iraq.

- Here's something to ponder. When Iraq is liberated and a fuller picture of the Baathist regime's crimes against Iraqis are revealed, will the leftwing-doves feel even a bit of shame for being so stridently opposed to military action in Iraq? They're standing on the wrong side of history and, in my view, will be judged harshly in the future.

Most of us know that Russia and France are motivated by thier own reasons and were being unreasonable, greedy wankers. Infact I've yet to encounter one person who says or acts like France was motivated by purely humanitarian reasons.

The point is that a UN resolution where the war with Iraq was sanctioned could have been reached if the current administration had any political ability at all. Appearing as the patient peacekeeper is much better than appearing a vengeful, raging, blind giant (or worse yet, the tool of a foolish usurper pulling a nation in a direction it doesn't want to go). War is supposed to be a final resort, not a first option. If this were another two months down the line and we willingly had given Iraq another 60 days to comply and disarm completely, and we simply requested more stringent inspection methods from the UN until then, then we would have likely gone in with a lot more support, even IF France and Russia had used thier vetoes.

And the only way I see proponents of peace and/or those against Bush's personal manuvering of the US military (not to mention his constant political blundering) being viewed harshly in the future is if they turn into the kind of hippie idiots seen during Vietnam and start sending hate messages and throwing dog **** onto the soldiers themselves. 'Cause as any reasonable person with an understanding of what Duty is knows that's pointless.

Bush tampered with the votes ?. LOL. Wow people come up with some crazy completely curcumstantial unproven bull*it sometimes to try and prove thier point.

Yah, it's pure circumstance, that dade county incident, with thousands of ballots going missing and that farce of a recount. Jeb Bush manipulated that whole damn state for his brother's ends, just 'cause there isn't enough evidence to convict in a court of law (meaning to prove beyond any reasonable doubt) doesn't mean it ain't true.

You dont have to like the man but for crying out loud you cant call yourself patriotic and say you "HATE" (A VERY powerful and negative word) our President and dont support our efforts in war. If someone says that to me out loud Im gonna speak up and let them know that there are other countries to live in .

Yah. Okay, sheep. I'm gonna go live in another country because I use my right to free speech to say I hate a person who has stolen the highest office in the land and sent thousands of citizens off to a war to kill and die for a short-sighted and greedy cause. And if I say that next to you and speak aloud what other countries there would be to live in I'd knock you into one of 'em. Freedom is what this country is about son. Freedom to speak one's mind about matters of policy and to even hate the president. You nor anyone else has the right to impose a will of silence upon us.

You think you can go around speaking all this TOTALLY anti american shit and still call yourself very patriotic ?!.

Yah. 'Cause peace is not unpatriotic. Being against an unnecessary war is not unpatriotic. This is not a dictatorship, you are allowed to disagree. Oh, by the way, did you see the quote I put up earlier? Here it is again.

"Of course the people don't want war... That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
-- Hermann Goering, Adolf Hitler's Deputy Chief and Luftwaffe Commander, at the Nuremberg trials, 1946 from "Nuremberg Diary" by G M Gilbert.

Seem familiar? Hmm?

I do not respect a man who says there should be limits to freedom, but leads the bastion of freedom and democracy in this world. I'm just sorry that the only thing that has come close to taking him out of this country and this planet's hair has been a BAG OF ROLD GOLDS.