[BlackThornn]

I can't hunt or fish, does that make me any less of a man? No. Not being able to do things that are supposed standards doesn't make anyone less of anything, that is so not the point I have been trying to make it's not even funny.

Okay, so you're saying that doing better at a job is more important than making sure a child turns out to be a healthy human being? A promotion is more important than a kid?!

I can't agree with that but I am not going to be junked in with people who are saying fathers should do no work. And I didn't say anything about not being able to cook making anyone less of a woman, Rei!

Women are not robots, they are more valued by us than any of you will probably ever know, especially those of us who did NOT grow up with a f****** mother figure in the house. You have no idea what it is like for the kid, especially when the mother is availiable but just will not come home because she values her job more. It makes the kid feel UNWANTED, UNNECESSARY.

Also note: I am not the kind of father who thinks that men shouldn't "lift a finger" around the house, Rei. I didn't say that and I don't advocate it. If you would read the posts I've already made on this matter I've said that both parents should be adequately "inconvenienced" work-wise to take care of the child. Both should help around the house, and both should be with the kid. I do not appreciate being lumped in with lazy asses that you have mentioned in seemingly direct reply to my post.