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Old Nov 4th, 2004, 06:16 PM   #54
Mannofiron
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First off let me say that I don't take anything personally and I'd hope it isn't directed at me that way. Secondly, I don't want to personally offend others either...I can seperate a person from their political beliefs.

That said, I think you come off sounding a little elitist Falie. You make the situation seem rather dire here at home when in reality we've faced much worse domestically. The unemployment is hanging at a relatively low level, and the jobs we've lost had more to do with a horrible terrorist attack that crippled a nation and a few of its industries than Bush's policies. Inflation is low. We want global markets, so outsourcing, viewed as terrible and bad for the economy, isn't really bad at all. We will develop better jobs here in America and foreign goods can be offered at better prices. Economically, the standard of living increases when global markets exist.

On the social issues, I don't see how abortion can be justified that way: could you say the same thing about an infant? or a 12 year old? Just because people have trouble affording children doesn't make it okay to kill one no matter what the age...they need to take responsibility and cope with the outcomes of their actions. I am not against civil unions or extending such rights to gay people, but I am for marriage being exclusive to a man and a woman. This is not for religious reasons but rather for social concerns and by the examination of countries where it is already in place. Marriage is a contract involving more than love, but also a commitment to society that assures continuation of the species and the raising of children with a mother and a father. I'm sure you'll get all excited about this...both these issues could have a whole thread easily, so I'm not trying to argue, just to state my points so you see where I'm coming from.

As for Iraq, I think it's vital we press democracy there: free nations reject terrorism. Also, history has shown that totalitarian gov'ts never exist peacefully with free countries. Removing a dictator who the world believed to have weapons of mass destruction and has been hostile towards us in many ways (paying families of suicide bombers, top al-qeida operatives found in Iraq when we invaded) is definitely in our nation's interest. Of course, a nation that is occupied will always be hostile, but I think the possibilities once Iraq is a democratic nation are overwhelming. Though I will cede this: we should not be "policing" the world...I agree with Iraq because it is part of the war on terror, but I'm against intervention otherwise.

I'd hope that there would be more intelligent debate on these forums...too many people are spiteful and unwilling to talk out differences. Let's at least be cordial...I find it hard to believe anyone would say America is stupid...all sorts of different people voted for each candidate. Well educated people supported both of them along with people less learned as well. Stop the name-calling and debate honestly.
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