[tempted]

Originally Posted by happy_doughnut

I think that Red pointed out something that was rather intelligent of him, Kaena.

Maybe i shouldn't have said "more intelligent"..what i meant to say was, and as you probably already read in my post above, that on a chat i had with him he seemed more responsible with what he was saying about drugs..not about the whole "normal state"..cause well i do know that there isn't such thing as "normal state".

Originally Posted by happy_doughnut

However, I gather that most take it to be a state of mind in which we have control over ourselves and our actions. Like say, if you're under the influence of any substance that can alter your "mind," you don't have full control over yourself because that alteration of the mind prompts you to do things you would most likely not do otherwise. Thus, when under the influence of substances, the substances themselves are the ones "controlling" you, as they are predominatly controlling the way you think and feel for the period of time in which they have effect on you.
So thus, by normal I think me mean that state of mind in which we are not under the influence of any outside substances that have the ability to alter our own selves, but rather are in a state of mind in which we can consciously make our own derrivative dicisions, altering substances excluded.
I'm not sure if Kaena and the others have this take on it, but I do. ...

Yes that's pretty much it

Originally Posted by happy_doughnut

...I think that this is the opinion Kaena, meryl and myself have: it's not worth it, no matter how you look at it.

lol..we've been going around this and it seems that yes, we do think the same way about it.

Originally Posted by happy_doughnut

...It is a fact that people use drugs to get away from their problems..

Yes it is a fact..you're right..but i just don't get it..so maybe i am close minded.