[merylsilverburg]

Originally Posted by Kaena

I honestly would like to know how is it that a person can have more fun being completly out of her/himself and have much more fun than being in a "normal" state..where you can be aware of everything..in my opinion that's what makes things fun..i honestly don't understand..and i do try to but it just doesn't make sense.

Like what goodman said, being out of a person's normal state of self gives them a release; because of the affect of the drug/drink, it can alter their personality or make them feel good. So, that would be their interpretation of "fun." They feel they can have a good time only if their mind/body feels like its having a good time too...for some, having their mental state in "awareness mode" can disrupt whatever makes them feel like they're having fun. I don't get it either, but I suppose for those of us who never tried it, will never quite "get it."

Oh and WOW..Meryl...WOW..honestly i was trying so hard to make people understand my point but i didn't want to go into detailed situations but you...wow..you almost made me cry just for reading some of the situations you pointed out in your firt post..cause it is true what you said, in most cases that's what happens people just turn a problem into a huge one..just for using drugs..and that whole living like you're 30 since you're 12..just so you know..you're not alone on that..i too had to do go through the same thing..and i still try to enjoy life..and i did NOT turn into drugs or drinking..sure i get depressed with most of my problems..but in the end, i end up a lot more happier person just because i'm strong enough to go through everything without making my life even worse by using drugs.

Oh, sorry...I didn't mean to mention those situations as a means to make a person cry, I was just using them as examples. But see, that's exactly what I was talking about. A person who has problems shouldn't make their lives even worse by using drugs.

Originally Posted by Redpyramidhead

*Ahem* Whats this "normal state* I keep hearing about? Is there even such a thing? What's this magical normal state in which it is supposedly easier to deal with your problems more easily? I can tell you right now I have known many states in my life from simply living it and by listening to music or perhaps indulging in the occasional weed, but I have never in my entire life known a "normal mental state* in which it is best to deal with my problems.

Okay, perhaps we all shouldn't have used "normal state"...maybe we should've used "the state of being aware/alert of one's surroundings" instead. We all didn't think there would be a person on here who would take the word "normal state" so literally.

Originally Posted by Redpyramidhead

SO many of us who do not use hardcore drugs like to live under the false security that there is only one reality and we will only have to deal with that one "normal state" as long as we don't do drugs. Whatever.

Hey, no one here said that people who don't do drugs only rely on one state of reality or one state being only. There are people out there who don't do drugs, but use other methods as a way to "escape" or "submerge themselves into their alter state of self." These methods are much safer and harmless than sniffing crack or something.

Originally Posted by Redpyramidhead

Reality is overrated by people who use it as a "familiar face" to greet in the morning. But you'll never defeat your depression that way.

Sure, I agree with what you said, that reality is overrated...but I would much prefer to have a somewhat sense of reality within me instead of living in "La-La-Land" all the time and being such a total dreamer that you appear to be a flake and lunkhead all the time. And excuse me, but people like us use reality as a "familiar face" to greet in the morning? Hmm, well, maybe because some of us live in the real world and realize that we do live in the real world, so that's why we act this way? Not because we use it as an excuse or whatever you're saying/implying.
As for the depression thing, again, yeah I agree with you. If a person is completely realistic, their depression will never go away because it'll be harder for them to focus on fun and light thoughts. But, it seems that what you're saying is that all people who have depression ought to just go out and get high in order to relieve their sense of reality. This is what I was arguing against; you have temporary relief, but when reality comes back, you're gonna hit rock-bottom because reality will look like a mega shithole...even more than it was before. Because people who are depressed want to be happy and if that drug gives them happiness, they're gonna get addicted and keep wanting it more and more...to maintain that happiness (or false happiness, which is a better word). I mean, prozac and other depression medications already do this to people (makes them addicted or give them strange thoughts....the therapist I went to recently, prescribed me some kind of prozac and told me, "If you start getting thoughts of suicide, you must call me immediately." WTF?) so why give them even worse illegal drugs that will screw them up even worse?