[Hyuuga Neji]

Originally Posted by Faile

I'm going to have jump back a few points here, but I cannot still to this day believe that people feel it was correct to go to war in Iraq. There are no weapons of mass destruction there, there have been no weapons of mass destruction there since the early nineties (and then nothing compared to the USA, UK, Russia, China) and we will find not one weapon of such in Iraq. Iraq has no links to Al Queda under Saddam Hussein, and while Saddam was a dictator, I could provide you with enough sources to show that U.S influence has caused more than a comparable level of atrocity in various countries since 1945.
What the Iraq war has acheived, however, is provide a Terrorists with a nesting ground, increased the level of insurgency in the Middle East (cross referencing the attacks in Saudi Arabia) and Iraq and is generally acting as a deathtrap for the poor people we send over there. 1000 Americans + have been caused as a result of this needless war, not to mention those of other countries who were strong armed or coerced into Iraq.

Secondly, to call the United Nations "corrupt and inefficient" is not only incredibly biased but also incredibly wrong. As for undemocratic countries then one need look no further than the U.S, where one family can buy an election in the interests of making more money. I hate the sheer jingoistic attitude of calling countries such as China 'uncivilised'. It was certainly civilised enough for Kissenger and Nixon to buddy up to in their time. Also, you state that, in your words, more civilised countries are 'kicked off' human rights councils. Do have a reference point for this?

Now, on to social issues. The Bush tax cuts only benefit the rich and the wealthier end of the middle class, whilst continuing to tax the poorer people who can ill afford it. Whilst opening up gaping wholes in the economy that are then hard to fill, this has the upside of saving loads of money for the rich and those that have major stakes in big companies. Not unlike the Bush Administration and his pals. It's completely unbalanced and really needs to be sorted, which I'm afraid, can probably only be done under Democrat rule.
The Bush administrations rules on Gay Marriage and Abortion are about 500 years out of date. I'm surprised they don't still think that the world flat. It's very odd for them to follow the bible so closely and yet still think it's fine to conduct the invasion of Iraq. It's a removal of public choice and personal freedom in both cases. The Bush administrations views on this are out of place in the 21st century.

It's fine to be in favour of free trade until you yourself lose your job to it, or your family lose their jobs to it. Internal industry needs to be kept within countries and not shipped out to Mexico or wherever. I'd agree with it a lot more in the Mexicans are being paid equal rates to Americans and there was too much employment in America but it never happens like that. All the companies that outsource/downsize are turning huge profits. The only reason they have to move out of America is the wish to make more money. They have no care for those they employ.

As for 2000, well I can again provide various sources showing that something very odd happened in Florida such as the removal of hundreds of non-white Americans. I.E those unlikely to vote for the Republican party. Couple this with the fact that the Bush Family has great links to Florida then I'd say that this was a calculated ploy that managed to steal an election. It's hard to forget, very hard. The democrats need to get in. For the record, I thought Kerry did a good job last night in the debate. He had Bush on the ropes for a while. It was a joy to watch Kerry quote Bush Snr at him. Completely flummoxed him. Not that it would be too hard of course...

I'm not meaning to have a personal attack at anyone here. I just feel the need for political debate is important and that everyone should always speak their mind in these cases.

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Many of the things that you are quoting of getting resources do have things and theories that support them but also alot of other sources that contradict them, the war on iraq was i believe necessary but the way it went about was not right and i like kerry's platform that was shown last night, and i noticed that you are really pointing at the US what about britian and your prime minister that agreed with bush and when this was going on showing him talking and supporting and participating in these events?? What does that say about Blair?? And Britian?? I had to bring these up because as i was reading your statements the obsessing over what the us did and not the other countries that are participating in this, no one made them participate and a general announcement was put out asking for help. Like ever contraversial(sp) topic out there, there is always two side to every coin. The bias one sided arguements that show US as such a bad country makes me say the statment that the US should pull out of every country and markets and allow them to do everything on their own. And when a problem occurs allow them to handle it, i know this getting a little off topic but its just amazing to me that when the US acts on its own they are Tyrants, but as soon as someones ass is on the line or needs help who are the first people that they come running to??

O and Red not trying to be mean but if you have such a problem with america maybe you should move, ya things are perfect thats the world but the choices that you are allowed to make here in the US can change i dont support bushes tactics in iraq and outsourcing but i still love my country and am patriotic for it, are you not a proud to be an american where you are free?

Thats all that i can type now as i am finishing with work.

Thanks
-Neji