[merylsilverburg]

Originally posted by Il Palazzo

The thing is I listen too all forms of Rock music, and a lot of Jazz and Blues. I've even look at all the technical things about each band, and what they are capable of and how they work and I make an assessment from there. Being a musician, I can look at the difficulty and originality of each piece and how it stacks up to other music. Thats how I usually base my opinion.

That's perfectly fine how you form your opinion, but it's still your opinion. Because for people like you and some others, you guys, like you said, look at the technicalities, difficulty and originality to base how you feel about the music/band. Maybe for you, you enjoy seeing bands work hard at creating original music and as a result, you feel the band/music has quality. But, let's say the band works hard, tries to create original music and all that, but if the song(s) don't appeal to you, you wouldn't really say "Oh, they're a great band!" because the songs just don't sound good to you. Well..at least that's how I see it.

Creed is a very technical band espically on My Own Prison and Human Clay. They incorporate a lot of little things in there lyrics and in the instrumentals that are just fantastic, so of the best things I've heard on guitar were from Mark Tremonti. Just because there famous and get radio play alot doesn't make the band bad. Its just that the people really love the music and so they play it to appeal to them. I don't want to start any major fights with Faile, but to associate them with being Commercial sellouts is silly.

You're right; even if the band does get a lot of media attention, it doesn't mean they are bad or commercial sellouts. However, if we're speaking about the times now, a majority of bands nowadays are very much just all "media" and maybe that's why Faile feels Creed is one of these bands. And of course, you disagree. But all I'm saying is, there isn't a right answer to either because it's a matter of opinions/likes/dislikes.

Originally posted by Vicious_2003

But does that mean that one shouldnt fully express thier opinion one way or the other ?.

No, of course you can express your opinion. It's fine to express your opinion and feel strongly about it, but when an argument starts (or is about to start) trying to convince the other party why the band/music is so good, there's no point. I mean, Il Palazzo could go on for pages and pages describing why Creed provides quality music and is one of the best and hardworking bands around, but Faile isn't going to back down and just agree when he doesn't feel that way. And Faile could also go on for pages and pages describing why he thinks Creed is a sellout band. But, as I said before, there's no point in getting really angry or upset over opinions even if they are based on facts.

Ah...I guess I'm just trying to prevent an avoidable argument...sorry if it seemed like I was being nosy or something.