Creed Revelation

[Uchiha Sasuke]

The need for Creed

In the era of Eminem and four-letter lyrics, Scott Stapp and his band have managed to rejuvenate rock 'n' roll with a positive message that borders on the religious.

By Steven Chean

Here's my question," says Scott Stapp. "If Eminem can rap about killing his mother with his daughter there and somehow get all kinds of critical acclaim and promotion, shouldn't music with a positive message get at least the same respect? Sometimes I think everything's all backwards."

And with that, Stapp, who'll be 29 this Thursday, is officially re-engaged. Sipping a smoothie at a West Hollywood, Calif., coffee shop, the singer and unofficial spokesman of Orlando-based Creed, one of the world's most commercially successful rock bands, has recently received the OK from his spine specialist to return to the road to continue the group's U.S. tour after the April 19 car crash that resulted in a bulging disc between two vertebrae in Stapp's neck and a smashed disc in his lower back. But it's more than that: Stapp is re-engaged in the wide, wild world of pop music, which is no small occurrence, considering that, since the November release of their third album, "Weathered", the band has declined virtually all requests for interviews.

Chalk it up to mandatory R&R, but Stapp has had a lot on his mind -- a lot to do with that wide, wild world his group so grandly inhabits. But to know Stapp -- to understand what he means when he uses words such as "vendetta" and "hypocrisy" -- is to know Creed. Specifically, how a group has come to be at once so adored and so abhorred.

"There's a time and place for boasting about Bentleys and cash coming out of your ears," Stapp says. "But it's just my opinion that music should have substance. People love songs that they can feel and relate to." Apparently, he's right: Stapp's heartfelt sagas of confusion, anger and, ultimately, redemption, infused with the Godzilla-sized riffs of guitarist Mark Tremonti, 28, and the jackhammer backbeat of drummer Scott Phillips, 29, seem to have hit a cosmic nerve. In five dizzying years, Creed's albums -- 1997's "My Own Prison", 1999's "Human Clay" and 2001's "Weathered" -- have sold close to 25 million copies in the USA alone; "Human Clay" was one of fewer than 100 albums in history to sell more than 10 million copies. Their arena shows, complete with a stage set straight out of "Gladiator", sell out in nanoseconds.

Simply put, Creed fills the gaping chasm between teen pop and rap-rock, a fact that hasn't eluded Stapp. "When we came out, rock 'n' roll was dead," he says. "They said rock bands couldn't sell records anymore. Now, rock has taken over Top 40 [radio], and 90% of the bands sound like us. We changed the whole scope of music and defined an era. I call that era 'anthemic rock.' "

"You can punch into five or six different radio stations, from adult contemporary to modern rock, and hear Creed," says Tim Richards, program director of Chicago modern-rock station Q101. "Their music fills a huge void, spanning blue-collar workers to soccer moms, and you just don't find that type of crossover appeal with any other rock band."

But Creed's success has come at a hefty price, as the title of their latest CD suggests. They've been attacked relentlessly by their peers and critics. The "Atlanta Journal-Constitution" has cited "the arrogant, ham-fisted aura that the band projects," while "Entertainment Weekly" magazine has accused them of "shameful self-glorification."
"They generate a decent amount of dislike amongst critics and people in the alternative-rock world because they sound like a very watered-down version of music that meant a lot to them in the '90s. Kind of like Pearl Jam in leather pants," says Sia Michel, editor in chief of "Spin" magazine. "They consider them unoriginal and over-the-top. Stapp can come off as pretentious and humorless when he's striking his rock-god poses -- unlike [U2's] Bono, for instance, who also seems to be winking at you at the same time."

Musical originality (or the lack thereof) aside, the various criticisms leveled at Creed share a common denominator: Christianity. "We cannot say this enough," Stapp reiterates. "We are not a 'Christian band.' We have no agenda to lead others to believe in our specific beliefs." More precisely, then, what rankles some are the Christian associations generated by the group's biblical imagery-laden album artwork and spiritually searching/ guiding songs, like "Bullets" ("Oh these thorns in my side") and "Who's Got My Back"? ("The covenant has been broken by mankind"). It's an image that has proven a little holier-than-thou for rock's liberal-minded cognoscenti.

Stapp's response? "When critics hear my lyrics, they hear, 'This is the way that I am, and this is the way the world should be.' What they don't realize is 99% of my lyrics are 'This is where I want to be, but I'm not there yet. I've got a lot to learn.' The rock establishment has a vendetta against us. They're cowards hiding behind typewriters. So, when we debut at No. 1 and sell millions of albums, that's my way of saying, 'We survive on the strength of our talent and our music and our fans.' "

If the members of Creed are in any way religious -- and they are -- their dogma manages to make room for the the sex-drugs-and-rock-'n'-roll lifestyle superbands more often follow. "Drug use is allowed in the band, but nothing more than you could grow in your own back yard," Stapp says. "And I love women. I meet a lot of women, and let's just say I have numerous friends. But I've heard some crazy stories about what certain artists have done with fans. You've got to have a little compassion for their hearts. I mean, one night there was a 15-, 16-year-old girl in the audience. She gave me [a lewd come-on] sign. She's just a little girl, and she thinks that's what rock 'n' rollers want. I went to her and said, 'Honey, that's not what men want.' I don't know what compels me to do that."

Likely, it's the same thing that compels him to speak out on subjects ranging from religious hypocrisy to parenting. Creed may not be a Christian band, but, as Stapp makes clear, its members do believe in God. In his case, that belief was hammered into his head as a child growing up in Orlando. His stepfather, Steven Stapp, a Pentecostal minister, raised Scott and his younger sisters strictly by the Bible. Church was a near-daily event. And when Scott broke the rules, he was made to write out long passages from Psalms and Proverbs. "He's a good man," Stapp now says of his stepfather. "I respect him for believing in something so much that he felt obligated to teach his children, 'cause he didn't want them to go to hell. But it was too much. I wasn't allowed to listen to rock; anything with heavy guitars was wrong. I had Christian albums that had heavy guitars, and I couldn't listen to them."

[Uchiha Sasuke]

Stapp ran away from home in 1990, when he was 17, and indulged in all things prohibited. Four years later, he reconnected with high school acquaintance Tremonti in Tallahassee, where Tremonti was a student at Florida State University. There they formed Creed. Those four years, during which Stapp struggled to reconcile his stepfather's understanding of God with his own, have provided seemingly endless song fodder. "The way I was taught religion, what got lost was love and forgiveness, and what got pushed was condemnation and guilt," Stapp says. "That's where the church loses it. That's why I don't step foot in church."

Stapp is the father of a 3-year-old boy, Jagger, the offspring of his 16-month marriage to his ex-wife, Hillaree, now 23. "She's young," Stapp says, "and she wants to experience things. So, my sister Amanda helps out, but I'm basically Jagger's mom and dad." Single fatherhood is a big responsibility, but Stapp is up for the task, particularly when it comes to teaching his son a different brand of spirituality. "God wasn't revealed to me for 17 years of my life," he says. "God was revealed to me when I went away from that and had my own experiences. God was revealed to me through humanity and nature and everything that's around us. That's how I'm raising my son. If he wants to go to church, he can go to church, when he's old enough to make that decision.

"Right now, Christianity is perceived by society as hypocrisy. That's what I don't like about the word 'Christianity': Christians around the world distort the true meaning of what Christ said in the Bible -- 'Let's just love everybody.' I mean, look at the Catholic Church. Those priests should be treated exactly like anyone who's committed a crime against a child. If it was my child, the priest would never make it to court."

Clearly, Stapp is a doting parent -- one who has a tip for other parents: "They need to be involved in their kid's life in every way -- what music they listen to, what parties they go to, who they're hanging out with. And then try to relate to them on their level -- communicate with them. That way, if 15 kids are picking on him at school, but he knows he has a sanctuary at home, he won't want to pick up a gun and kill them all."

If Stapp knows a thing or two about kids, it's not merely because he's a father, but because he's a musician -- a pop musician in a wide, wild world that he and his bandmates so grandly inhabit. He knows words and images live forever.

"Sex and violence sell. Even preteens are talking about sex and having sex and picking up guns and shooting guns," he says. "Ultimately, it's up to parents to decide what they allow in their home, but musicians need to check themselves and realize what they're putting out there, what young ears are being exposed to.

"For every time Eminem -- who's obviously hurting inside, and kids just want to hear how far he's gonna go this time -- for every time he comes on the radio or MTV, there's got to be something positive. Something with merit. Something with heart. That's what we do."


heres the link (http://www.usaweekend.com/02_issues/020804/020804creed.html) to the story

http://www.usaweekend.com/02_issues/020804/images/020804cover.jpg

[Cannibal Clown]

That was cool to read. I like Creed, and i'm a strong christian, so that story was very insightfull to me. I still think its' cool that clean bands can still be just as popular and even more so than the guys who play hate music all their musical careers.

[jjmoohead]

Ok I will go back and read that later, but where and what song does eminem ever talk about killing his daughter. I hate how people judge him cause he found a system of music that works.

I am a huge fan of Eminem. Up until a couple years ago nobody even knew what his real name was. The just judged him because he sang some bad lyrics and some bad topics. If i was that smart and relized it would sell me millions then I would be doing it too.

Eminem my not sing about prasing god, but his songs get me going in the morning. I love his music, especially when he sings about the people around him that give him a bad wrap. Look at this lyrics closly, they are not all bad. Some have a really good point to them and can be benifitial. Just cause he says the f word a few times doesn't mean he is a bad person.

I know this has nothing to do with your post, but i read the first few lines and and saw the thing about Eminem. I just can't stand how people can jusge someone based on a character that use when they sing. Thats like saying Tom Hanks is crazy and stupid cause he talked to a volleyball in cast away. Eminem is a character, just like Slim Shaddy. but Marshal Mathers (EMINEM's REAL NAME) is a person just like you and me that would do anything for his daughter, and has problems just like you and me, but also has good side to him like you and me.

Just because a person sings a song about the way life is straight to the point doesn't mean he is bad. Just to point out though, EMINEM sold more Records in one week then Creed did with the entire last album.....

I love creed too, but im just frustrated with comments like that.

[Uchiha Sasuke]

Ok the majority of eminems stuff is negative in nature thats what stapp is getting at.I listened to it i heard it and i dont like.People like eminem do get held in higher regard to people like stapp for some reason.Maybe it because eminem has a gimmick to promote and attract fans and critics and creed doesnt.I dont know,but i know that scott stapp speaks more truth about the music industry than most people understand.As for the whole sales thing i doubt that.I mean creed is one the top selling bands of all time so i dont think that is possible.Maybe he sold more on his newest album in contrast to weathered but not in total sales.And about eminems music.You know that does set a bad example.I mean hell some people might not think so but what about the younger audience who buys his junk.Its corrupting to say the least.I see dumbas*ses at my highschool mimicing the way he acts and it disgusting.I mean Creed try to send a good message out and people blow them off.What is wrong with the world do they all crave sleaz and violence.

[Spank-A-Thon]

What a lot of people don't realise, and believe me - it took me a while to realise - is that Eminem is taking the piss...

When he raps, I don't find him being serious - I think he's being very smart and is trying to get the reaction he does get...

I am by no means a fan of Eminem (although 'The Way I am' is brilliant), but I do think a lot of people are completely missing the point.

As for Creed, they are not doing anything that Pearl Jam/Soundgarden et al weren't doing in 1992! But if there is one thing you can say about Creed, it's that they have managed to spawn a load of 'sound-a-likes'...

The likes of Nickelback, Puddle of Mudd and P.O.D. could very easily be Creed - but this always happens when a band makes a successful breakthrough.

That said, I do really like 'My Sacrifice'...Originally Posted by SSSnake

I mean creed is one the top selling bands of all time so i dont think that is possible.Sorry SSSnake, I know you are a huge fan and all, but Creed are nowhere near one of the top selling bands of all time! Just to name a couple of bands that have sold way more I'll quickly mention the likes of Led Zeppelin, Bon Jovi, The Rolling Stones, The Eagles, Metallica, Aerosmith, Elvis Presley and of course the boys from my hometown, The Beatles...

- S

[AudioBoxer]

It doesnt matter if it gives out a negative point, if people like it they do, Like New Found Glory there is nothing wrong with them, but they do talk about relationships, I baught their new album and thats all it is about. Creed is good yes, but they dont have the succes that em does. POD gives out good points but in a different way and you have to really listen and think about what they are trying to say.

[Uchiha Sasuke]

Originally posted by TrikTopz
Creed is good yes, but they dont have the succes that em does.

I don't know about that trik.People always speak about great bands and sucess bands and Creed is always brought up.Some site and source state they are the greatest Rock band of the 90's.Yes eminem is very sucessful surprisingly but yet again i don't think he'll be remebered as a great.Oh yeah and if you dont believe me did you look at the charts during weathered's released.My sacrifice was number 1 for eight plus weeks.I don't think one of em's stood on stop that long.Any ways continue on.BTW if any of my comments offened anyone or got them angry these are my views nothing more.



Spank those bands you mentioned have been out and had a lot of album releases.Of course they have high sales.But Creed came out in 1997 and had three albums and sold over 50 million plus.Thats amazing for a band that young.There were also the first band in history to have four #1 rock radio singles from a debut album.

[Spank-A-Thon]

Originally posted by SSSnake
Spank those bands you mentioned have been out and had a lot of album releases.Of course they have high sales.But Creed came out in 1997 and had three albums and sold over 50 million plus.Thats amazing for a band that young.There were also the first band in history to have four #1 rock radio singles from a debut album. [/B]Well, according to the RIAA web-site they have sold 19million records, which is by far less than the Backstreet Boys (35m) and N-Sync (28m)... Source: RIAA Top Selling Artists (http://www.riaa.com/make_top_artists.cfm)

- S

[Uchiha Sasuke]

Originally posted by Spank-A-Thon
Well, according to the RIAA web-site they have sold 19million records, which is by far less than the Backstreet Boys (35m) and N-Sync (28m)... Source: RIAA Top Selling Artists (http://www.riaa.com/make_top_artists.cfm)

- S

&*%^ VH1.Told a freaking lie then on that video i have of creed opening night live.Grrrr.Nice correction Spank.I'm sorry for the mix up

[Spank-A-Thon]

Originally posted by SSSnake


&*%^ VH1.Told a freaking lie then on that video i have of creed opening night live.Grrrr.Nice correction Spank.I'm sorry for the mix up To be fair though, I think that that is just for sales in the US (although I'm not sure).. But what really sucks and makes me wanna swear is that crap like N-Sync, Backstreet Boys and Britnry friggin Spears can outsell bands/artist who atually posess talent.... There is no justice in the world!

- S

[AsylumEscapee]

Where I come from, we call Creeds music pussy rock...

[Uchiha Sasuke]

Originally posted by AsylumEscapee
Where I come from, we call Creeds music pussy rock...

Is that because it doesnt have all the swearing and death promoting lyrics like most rock bands in the 90's.I wanna know why you call it that.

[AsylumEscapee]

Originally posted by SSSnake
Is that because it doesnt have all the swearing and death promoting lyrics like most rock bands in the 90's.I wanna know why you call it that.
Basically.

[Uchiha Sasuke]

Originally posted by AsylumEscapee

Basically.

That a pretty shallow way to make opinions on music my friend.

[BowevelJoe]

Em is aiming to get the reaction he gets, people just eat that mess up...

Yeah! I love Kid Rock. He has so much talent. Well, honestly he is talented, but the way he uses it is terrible..making him suck. bad.

As for Creed, alot of their music sounds the same as other stuff, i love Torn, My Own Prison, and the rest is good stuff, but nothing new.

I listen to nothing but rock/punk/ska type of stuff..as for BSB and N stink, im with Spank 100% on that..they have NO talent at all, theyre all a bunch of clones that need to be killed..the goverments corrupt in that aspect, they let BSB be cloned, we got n stink, we let n stink be cloned and we got like 200 more wannabee bands..its sickining..to think they can make millions doing stuff THEY didnt even create..theyre are such tools...

im done with that rant :laugh:

[jjmoohead]

Just to make word that "The Eminem Show" Cd went number one on the charts 4 days after release. That is a record by the way. I am not say eminem doesn't have controversial music. But most of that come from old school song. A lot of the new music has been brought down a level from the days of bashing his mom and talking about killing his wife.

Do you remember the song Stan from the Marshal Mathers CD?

The song is about a guy you idolizes eminem, to the point that he died his hair just to look like him. He writes letter to Eminem telling him how he relates to his music because he likes to piss people off and cut him self just like eminem does. He then flips out and kills his pregnant girlfriend because she was snooping into the basement of this guys house where he had built an eminem shrine. He did everything in that video to relate to eminems past music "DRANK A 5th of vodak, dare me to drive" He even wanted to name his kind bonnie, which again is a relation to eminem.

Eminem replys at the end of the video by writing a letter back to this guy. He tells him how honoured he is to have him as a fan, but thinks the kid is messed up cause he is actually doing the stuff that eminem says. "You say you like to cut your wrists too? Common I just say that stuff clowning around man, common how f*cked up is you"

This song is writen for all those wacko's that think eminem is a phsyco.

This song of hisnew cd is what I like the most about eminem.

Here are the lyrics from the first part.
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These ideas are nightmares for white parents, whose worst fear is a child with dyed hair and who likes earrings/Like whatever they say has no bearing, it's so scary in a house that allows no swearing/to see him walking around with his headphones blaring, alone in his own zone, cold and he don't care/He's a problem child, and what bothers him all comes out, when he talks about, his f*ckin' dad walkin' out/cuz he just hates him so bad that he blocks him out. If he ever saw him again he'd probably knock him out/His thoughts are wacked, he's mad so he's talkin' back, talkin' black, brainwashed from rock and rap/He sags his pants, do-rags and a stocking cap, his step-father hit him, so he socked him back/and broke his nose, his house is a broken home. There's no control, he just let's his emotions go...
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You see the start is showing how the kid looks like eminem and acts like him and the end shows that he has other issues in his life, not that eminem is the reason for it.
Maybe its time to start looking into the messed up kids home to see what the issue is before they start blaming Eminem.

[Uchiha Sasuke]

But yet eminem is still putting this stuff out.Without almost realizing what can happen.Seems like he doesn't even care what happens all he wants is the money.But if you like eminems stuff thats your bag of beans,but i will dislike him for the stuff he puts out.

You want some truthfully insightful lyrics

She wears a coat of color
Loved by some, feared by others
She's immortalized in young men's eyes
Lust she breeds in the eyes of brothers
Violent sons make bitter mothers
So close your eyes, here's your surprise
Beautiful is empty
Beautiful is free
Beautiful loves no one
Beautiful stripped me
In your mind she's your companion
Vile instincts often candid
Your regret is all that's left
She told me where I'm going
And it's far away from home
I think I'll go there on my own

[jjmoohead]

Dude, I know creed is good man, i love there music, but my point is why pick on eminem. Does he feel jelous that he doesnt have that much spot light? I dont get it...

Here this is there third part to that song

Please read these lyrics though ok, I know you probably just skip past it but take the time man.
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They say music can alter moods and talk to you, well can it load a gun up for you , and **** it too?/Well if it can, then the next time you assault a dude, just tell the judge it was my fault and I'll get sued/See what these kids do is hear about us totin' pistols and they want to get one cuz they think the sh*t's cool/not knowin' we really just protectin' ourselves, we entertainers, of course the sh*t's affectin' our sales, you ignoramus/But music is reflection of self, we just explain it, and then we get our checks in the mail. It's f*cked up ain't it?/ How we can come from practically nothing to being able to have any ****in' thing that we wanted/That's why we sing for these kids, who don't have a thing except for a dream, and a f*ckin' rap magazine/who post pin-up pictures on they walls all day long, idolize they favorite rappers and know all they songs/Or for anyone who's ever been through sh*t in their lives, till they sit and they cry at night wishin' they'd die/Till they throw on a rap record and they sit, and they vibe. We're nothin' to you but we're the f*ckin' shit in they eyes/that's why we seize the moment try to freeze it and own it, squeeze it and hold it, cuz we consider these minutes golden/and maybe they'll admit it when we're gone. Just let our spirits live on, through our lyrics that you hear in our songs
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HEY I KNOW YOU SKIPPED PAST, GO BACK AND READ IT, TRUST ME IT WILL ALL MAKE SENCE.


You see man, he has a point. Some people have no one to look up to, they dont beleive in church and sometimes don't understand what bands like creed are saying. People are just mad cause he figured out what sells records and are pissed and now people not only buy his stuff for the negativity, but for other reasons too, something people can just chill and listen too.

[Uchiha Sasuke]

Yeah but still if eminem sings about some of that stuff that is actually truthful.Why i ask you is he held in higher regards than creed by critics and hes that sings on occasion about demoralizing subjects and such.And bands like creed and some other get punched in the throat for mentioning god in a song

[BlackThornn]

Because most/many magazine critics come from major metropolitan areas, and most people who come from major metropolitan areas can either relate or better stand a guy who's singing f*** every half second and spouting lots of things around violence than anyone who could even be percieved as "overly religious".

Personally, and I don't mean to hurt any feelings or nuthin here, but I don't think Creed is all that big a deal. Smash Mouth was doing upbeat, posotive songs that appealed to everyone who wasn't a grinch.. they didn't include lyrics that could be categorized as religious at all, because in truth much of religion is a bad, opressive thing. It centers on being morally right instead of just "right & happy". I think that's why Creed isn't being recognized as much by critics than Eminem. That and it's a more juicy article ranting about how degrading an artist who is offensive than praising a band that manages to not use profanity and violent ideals in thier lyrics.

*shrugs* Just my thoughts..

[AsylumEscapee]

Originally posted by BlackThornn
they didn't include lyrics that could be categorized as religious at all, because in truth much of religion is a bad, opressive thing.
Amen.

[AudioBoxer]

Like I am saying for the 2nd time people like the music the like. Cant judge that and will never be able to. Plus the most sold records on a Bands contract was Metallica, sorry but their new album will rip apart Creed. Yes, their songs kinda do sond the same. I dont give a crap rock is better than rap right?
Rappers have no talent. I can stand rap, they get paid more for doing crap than rockers have to be all nsyc with each to make it sound good...................................

[jjmoohead]

Just to add to this, maybe becuase creed is not all that original. Sure they play there own music, but a band is a band. Its un fortunite but thats what they are. They play songs in a band just like other bands do, and there are thousands and thousands and thousands of bands. I agree Creed is one of the best bands out there today, but they are a band.

Eminem on the other hand is a white rapper. The only other somewhat famous white rapper I can think of is Vinella Ice. He was the first. Sure there are others out there, but Eminem is such a rarity in the music industry that i figure thats why he gets pointed at so much. Not only is he rare but he makes him self stand out more by saying things to get people to look at him. He is one of the smartest entertainers in the world. I tell you i wish I though of it and had talent. If a down to earth, country boy that wouldn't hurt a flee like myself can like his talents, anyone can.

[IcyMourdor]

Oh gawd, Eminem needs to go and think things out for once. Although I'm not one to say anything, but he has his daughter on the same album in which he goes and kills his x-wife (again). A good 3/4 of his songs have no meaning and just influence young idiots (like at my school). When was the last time you heard someone doing something horrible and then hearing it was linked to Creed. Never. Yes, some songs he has have some meaning, but that is only beacuse he is complaining about the negative attention he has been getting.

Speaking of which, the media screws everything and everyone. "Creed is a Christian band." The band members themselves have said that they aren't. People just can't seem to get it out of their heads. Who cares if they are religious? It is their lives to live, not ours.

As for the top selling thing, does it surprise you that boy bands and chicks like Spears are up there? I'd say about 98% of their sales are from women 13-20. There are millions out there, and a good majority has at least one cd. Creed, in the rock genre, can compete with that. That shows just how great a band is.

[jjmoohead]

Originally posted by TrikTopz
I dont give a crap rock is better than rap right?
Rappers have no talent. I can stand rap, they get paid more for doing crap than rockers have to be all nsyc with each to make it sound good...................................

Ok im not going to get into this, but let me point out that I can sing. I have been in a band before and understand the difficulty to put 4 or 5 people together to make a song work, especially for the drummer like myself. But no man would ever state that a raper has no talent. You try and rap a verse out loud sounding good, keeping a good pace with the beat and not once messing up. Its tougher then hell man. I would kill to be able to rap. I don't even like it all that much myself, but if I had those skills man, i would be the shiznit. Being a raper and sounding good takes a lot more then putting 7 bars of music together and playing it over and over. You know thats true , I know its true, I lived it!

[jjmoohead]

Originally posted by Mourdor
When was the last time you heard someone doing something horrible and then hearing it was linked to Creed.


We already went over this man, when was the last time something was blamed on eminem and the kid was just messed in the head, living in a bad household, have a mest up parent, or no parents. There are things that mess people up out there like drugs and alcohol and other crazy stuff. How can someone doing something stupid be directly pointed at eminem?

The people that accuse there actions on eminem are retards. They are either looking for attention or its there parents trying to find a reason to why there kid is just not messed in the head. He demonstrates this in his music, Read the latest lyrics post man.

[Uchiha Sasuke]

Originally posted by Mourdor
Oh gawd, Eminem needs to go and think things out for once. Although I'm not one to say anything, but he has his daughter on the same album in which he goes and kills his x-wife (again). A good 3/4 of his songs have no meaning and just influence young idiots (like at my school). When was the last time you heard someone doing something horrible and then hearing it was linked to Creed. Never. Yes, some songs he has have some meaning, but that is only beacuse he is complaining about the negative attention he has been getting.

Speaking of which, the media screws everything and everyone. "Creed is a Christian band." The band members themselves have said that they aren't. People just can't seem to get it out of their heads. Who cares if they are religious? It is their lives to live, not ours.

As for the top selling thing, does it surprise you that boy bands and chicks like Spears are up there? I'd say about 98% of their sales are from women 13-20. There are millions out there, and a good majority has at least one cd. Creed, in the rock genre, can compete with that. That shows just how great a band is.


Nice little post mourdor.Yeah creed gets a lot of labels its almost sickening.There a rip of this and they sound like this.There unoriginal.To tell you the truth i could care less what everyone thinks.There one of the most talented and postitive influenced bands of the ninties.People speak up about others doing this and creed is a clone.There not if they were would they be so sucessful.They wouldnt.And JJ rapping is nothing to Rock in comparison to talent.Most of rap is recorded in a studio and generated on computers.Rock on the other is not and is much harder.In concert i know rap is a live show but theres nothing to there beats there constant.Rock varies riffs are more complicated and the drum beats are usually much much faster.

[jjmoohead]

If you actually read my post you would notice i stated i played in a band, i know how difficult it is, but I also no that rock music, pop music, rap music is all done in a recording studio. Its the people that can do it live that are awosome. I have seen creed live i have also seen eminem live, as well as other rap stars. If you can sing 14 songs in one night without messing up a lyic in rap, you are a god. Then theres people like britney spears, she has a great talent but can't sing live, she has even stated that. Lots of rappers have a tough time live too, as well do a lot of bands who get recorded. Not many bands can pull off recorded sounds the same as on stage. Creed included.

I play drums so I know the differnet types of beats that are played. Im not an idiot. Like you said though, I dont care what other people think, but you should at least think before you speak.

[AsylumEscapee]

Originally posted by jjmoohead
He is one of the smartest entertainers in the world.
Hehehe. I doubt THAT.
Originally posted by jjmoohead
There are things that mess people up out there like drugs and alcohol and other crazy stuff.
Hey, hey. What did drugs do to you? Drugs are fun!

[jjmoohead]

Drugs are fun....

I am no longer going to reply to this topic, its a never ending discission, and that my friend, was the stupidest comment I have ever heard. I know people can't get passed the evil image of eminem as a character, I just wish you people could meet Marshal, hes just as down to earth as the bible thumpers out there. EMINEM IS A CHARACTER, just like someone playing a movie role. If I made just one person realize this from all this posting, I have done more then most people even try to do.

Just one last comment, listen to the 3 different types of music Marshal sings. There is the outspoken Eminem tunes, the entertaining radio music of Slim Shaddy and of course the down to earth tunes of marshel himself. You have to go way back to his early band days to find that stuff but he does sing no rap music in a few of his song. Really good. All 3 have the good points.

I am offically done with this topic

[AudioBoxer]

ice wasnt the first white rapper, Aerosmith was, they made the first white rap song, then it went to Beastie Boys then ice. LOL same here they make more crap up to fight over.:frust: :frust: