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Aug 24th, 2006, 02:54 PM | #1 |
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Gedo no Senki: is it really that bad?
What do you guys think about the movie of Goro Miyazaki, without seeing it? After the release in Japan the reviews were very negative, but the movie is still top at the box office (beating PotC 2 isn't that easy!). People said the movie is boring and too serious, characters are flat and animations are not good. They said it's a shame Miyazaki senior could not direct it. I don't know what to think. I have only seen trailers, and it doesn't seem bad. Goro isn't Hayao, but I think we shouldn't be too strict only because he's his son. We should not make a comparison. I also think a Studio Ghibli movie is still above average animation, especially stuff like Disney.
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Aug 25th, 2006, 04:23 AM | #2 |
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The gripe about the animation could simply be nit-picking, as it is still Studio Ghibli that drew it. Perhaps Miyazaki Jr. wanted a more classic feel/look to the film. From the trailers, it does look rather dramatic, but it is based on a series of books by fantasy author, Ursula LeGuin. I will still see the film if I can ever get my hands on it, but I don't think it'll be anytime soon. My expectations are neutral...I'll just watch it with an open mind and see how I feel.
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Since all I can see in cinemas when I want to watch animation is Pixar or Dreamworks stuff, I'm really looking forward to this one, that at least I'm sure will be a real movie, with a real story and not a collection of funny gags and trite sentimentalism. Of course it is not Hayao Miyazaki, and Goro Miyazaki, not being an animator or a screenwriter or anything like that, could seem an inept to the vast majority of Studio Ghibli fans. But I'm still optimistic. I'm hoping this movie gets a better distribution than Howl's Moving Castle here. I had to watch the previous Studio Ghibli movie on DVD because of the terrible distribution, but I was really hoping to watch it on big screen
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Also, according to the Nausicaa site, Gedo may not be released in the US until 2009...because of contract issues of the Sci-Fi channel version (WTF?!) Quote:
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Haven't seen it, but personally i'm expecting something along the lines of "The Cat Returns", except not, obviously. In terms of budget and competence, it would make sense that every second, non-Miyazaki film coming out of Ghibli at the moment would be more of a money spinner to raise funds for the next big thing (regardless what the critics have said, people went to see the damned thing ).
I'm not a fan of Goro Miyazaki jumping the queue. I think it's very cynical that they wanted to bring in a nobody with the right surname to draw people in. Regardless of Goro's competence (or lack of), the team at Ghibli can float a reasonable movie without A-class direction, so basically, it's probably a watchable film that you will most likely enjoy, but not regard as the best thing since sliced bread. Meiko, in the meantime, content yourself with the fact that Only Yesterday is out in like 2 weeks. Not in the US of course, where it will never be released because discussing menstruation makes Disney swoon and hide the entire movie away in the big iron vault. I use this opportunity to do a "haha! Europe finally got something America didn't out of Japan!" dance. On the subject of Disney / Pixar / Dreamworks, I can only really admire Pixar and something of what Disney used to be. Disney is truely down the pan now, Dreamworks' output is just dire. I kind of enjoyed the Shrek movies, but they're not nearly as clever as a lot of people take them to be and they're certainly not masterpieces. Dreamworks are usually trying to copy Pixar, which just goes to show that Pixar are that much better. Pixar's output has been varied - far more so than Ghibli, definitely less copycat than Dreamworks - they've done stories almost entirely about fish, bugs, cars, monsters and what have you, and I don't believe they've got stale. I'm not a fan of CGI animation, because I don't really enjoy how it looks, but they're still good film-makers. One thing I do hate - and this goes for all american animators - Voice Talent is taking yet another dive into the abyss. The actors doing voices in western animators aren't professional VAs, but names put in to draw fans. The prevalence of comic-type animation movies in the west is furthered by this. Most of the A-listers brought in for animation movies can't manage serious acting in live-action, let alone animation where granting a character life is solely achieved through voices. Dubs of Anime movies make me cry for that reason, and Disney's approach is to fill out Ghibli's movies with celebs because they don't trust that the movies can sell themselves. Well, at least they're keeping their filthy talons off of Only Yesterday
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I am not a fan of 3D animated movies either. They just don't seem able to keep me interested. They also lack in the creativity department. You can make bugs, cars, toys or whatever you like talk, even eggplants, but I suppose that's not enough to make a good movie, so I agree on that with what merylsilverburg and Panuru were saying.
I don't know if Goro Miyazaki is a talented person or not, I'll judge him when I see the movie. I think that being the son of a famous artist can be helpful in some case, but it's also a double-edged weapon, because everything you do is automatically compared with the work of someone else, and the comparison will very likely contain some negative prejudice. Being this the case, it's almost impossible for Goro to be judged in a fair way, he will always be considered a second-rate artist. Last edited by Meiko; Aug 29th, 2006 at 12:16 AM.. |
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But I didn't. Why? Because I don't know how the film is going to be and I don't know if Goro is a good or bad director. For all I know, he could make one of the worst films in Ghibli history, but I won't know that until I see the damn film. I'm only arguing with you now because I just think it's unfair for you to accuse Goro of being a sellout when you don't have the proof (or since I don't see the proof yet). Am I actually really displaying signs of fanboyism just because I don't see the immoral acts you're accusing of? Or am I really a fanboy just because I believe in fair judgment? Or am I really a fanboy just because I have a little faith and think people deserve a chance and we shouldn't be so suspicious of their employment, regardless of their surname, middle name, secret name, or what have you?
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Like kupo, I think the choice of letting Miyazaki jr. direct the movie was very smart and cynical. But, I don't think this means the movie is bad. I think maybe people could be expecting different things. The best thing to do is not having expectations at all, especially expectations involving the "Miyazaki" brand. I'll judge the movie after watching it. I don't think the fact Goro Miyazaki is a newbie is evidence the movie is not good. The choice of the studio is cynical, but the man could be talented and I hope so: I prefer watching a movie with a clear eye and be satisfied later, maybe even surprised, than feeling clever saying "I told you this one was going to suck".
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These are the facts I'm putting forward, or choosing not to because I don't feel they need stating, that apparently have all gone unsaid in this thread or have no basis in truth: 1. Goro Miyazaki shares his surname with his father, Hayao Miyazaki. 2. The Miyazaki surname has recognition and will get people into cinemas. 3. Goro Miyazaki has no animation credentials prior to Gedo Senki. 4. Goro Miyazaki is the director of Gedo Senki, despite there being an entire animation industry who with between 1 to 50 years more experience than him. 5. Practically the entire publicity buildup to Gedo Senki has been about Hayao's distaste at the choice of Goro, the little scuffles and grumbles that both have made in each other's direction. 6. Toshio Suzuki has supposedly further marketed the film on the basis of seeing a great father / son conflict played out. 7. Toshio Suzuki is a buisnessman 8. Ghibli is a Buisness, not some pedestal occupying pillar of moral truth. 9. Buisnesses are all about making smart moves that sell more of your product. 10. The draw of the Miyazaki name would be classed as a "smart move". 11. Cinemas were absolutely packed with people to see Gedo Senki, far more than those who went to see a comparable inter-Hayao film like "The Cat Returns". And yes I feel that "blind faith" is just fanboyism. Ghibli is a massive commerical concern, a smaller scale Disney, that spins money like nothing else. They're not above earning even more money, no matter how sweet a taste their films may leave in your mouth. Feel free to have the last word here, but shame on me if i'm stupid enough to reply myself.
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And as for your points, I'm just glad to see that you pointed it out because, as unbelievable as it may seem, there were some points that I really didn't think about or see.
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I finally got to see this film and I must say I don't understand why is it rated so badly and considered an awful example of animation. I found it very enjoyable to watch. It surely isn't as original and dreamlike as old Miyazaki's works, but it isn't as bad as people describe it either. The animation isn't shabby as I've been reading all this time. The story is more classic than other Studio Ghibli stuff, it's more in the spirit of traditional fantasy tales - I haven't read the books which inspired it so I can't say if the written material is that way too. The narrative structure is simple and free of complex twists. The characters are also more archetypal, less in the realm of "real", like the ones of fairy tales. from some point of view reminded me of the kind of simplification of motives and stories of Ico and Shadow of the Colossus. I don't agree with critics affirming it's unidimensional and flat, as I don't agree with those saying the film in general is overly simplistic in an embarassing way. It's true that the tone is constantly on a more austere and somewhat cryptic level, almost lacks any kind of humour. It just works in a slightly different way that other Studio Ghibli movies, lacks some of the verve we've seen in their other works. I say Goro can do a good job if people will let him to. We just don't have to expect him to be the new Hayao: let him follow his personal path.
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