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[Vicious_2003]

Ok I wasnt exactly sure what forum this should go so im slappin it here, if its miss placed I apologize to the administrators. Ok so im sad to report I am no longer an owner of a playstation console. As of today I have traded it in at my local babbages and have purchased an X Box. My reasons you ask , well allow me to list them

#1. Controllers...too small...waaay to cheaply made. I have had cases where I dropped them and had a button stop working completely. Ive gone through atleast 120 dollars worth of controllers sense purchasing my station about 3 months after its release way back when (X-Box controllers are MUCH sturdier*, and although I dont really like the size of the S type either, its still a better controller than sony's)

#2. Sony Online. SCEA, whatever ya wanna call it absolutely SUCKS in comparison to LIVE. Lets face it Live surpasses it in just about every way. Sept for online games at te moment (I dont enjoy Unreal or Fever etc all that much)

#3. SOCOM. Never have I been more frustrated and disgusted with a game. Playing online anymore is near impossible. The server is how should I put it....pathetic !!. Takes an average of ten full minutes just to get logged in and if your not disconnected right away it happen suring a game or after a game is played. (The game USED to be AWESOME back before Christmas hit but now the servers are over crowded and most of them are ten year old kids who cant play)

#4 . X Box has 4 controller ports, nuff said (What WAS Sony thinking ?!)

#5 Overall quality. If theres anything you can expect with Microsoft and its products (At least with X Box anyways) Its QUALITY. Better stuff inside and out for the same price, cant beat that

#6 . The Playstation 2 is made to break. My friend bought one the day it came out and just last week had to buy a new one because his quit reading disks all together. Then I saw it happening to my PS2 ever so slowly. It starts by not reading DVDs now and then ,then gets progressively worse as time goes by till it stops playing games

Im not TRYING to bash Sony here. I had butt loads of fun with my PS2. But now I feel somewhat betrayed now that Ive really tasted what X Box has to offer and have been burned by Sony’s crappy online playing games and their lack of quality. Sorry if ive bothered anyone...just needed to rant

[DSgamer]

Dude, i love my ps2, but i do see ur point, i agree with number 1,3,4,and 6. my friends ps2 has stopped reading disks all together, and sometims my ps2 doesn't read dvd's now and then. i returned my socom copy because i couldn't play it online, and im tired of the little kids who r allways saying shit like "haha u stupidass, i killed u" that pisses me off, and yeah, what the hell was sony thinking, the ps2 coul've had 4 controller ports instead of 2, my controller broke after about 2 weeks of use, now i have to use an ugly ass 3rd party product. I love my ps2 and all so i tolerate this things, but if they get worse, i will have to get an XBOX

[Carlito]

Guys, keep this thread clean

Originally posted by Weapon_XZ84

#5 Overall quality. If theres anything you can expect with Microsoft and its products (At least with X Box anyways) Its QUALITY. Better stuff inside and out for the same price, cant beat that

Hehe I've no time to write a full answer, but I guess many will have to object to this.

[Vicious_2003]

lol, sorry...again it was a rant....rants sometimes overlook the rules. Perhaps I went a little bit overboard

P.S I read my rant and it seems a little more anti-Sony than I had originally intended. Im just a lil pissed at em right now, I could always buy a new PS2 one of these days, maybe just to play FFX-2 who knows

[MakgSnake]

Originally posted by Weapon_XZ84


#1. Controllers...too small...waaay to cheaply made. I have had cases where I dropped them and had a button stop working completely. Ive gone through atleast 120 dollars worth of controllers sense purchasing my station about 3 months after its release way back when (X-Box controllers are MUCH sturdier*, and although I dont really like the size of the S type either, its still a better controller than sony's)

I have to say, I have had Dual Shock controllers for more then 6 years now and I NO problem at all. The Xbox normal controllers are horrible in my opinion. Tooo big, so big that they have stopped sending them now. Even Microsoft knows that it was a bad move by making the controllers so big and out of shape buttons (The A, B, X, Y on the normal controllers were put in abnormally) I am glad about the Controller S that they are shaped in Triangle (Just like Dual Shock controllers). Still S is nothing infront of DS (In my opinion)

#2. Sony Online. SCEA, whatever ya wanna call it absolutely SUCKS in comparison to LIVE. Lets face it Live surpasses it in just about every way. Sept for online games at te moment (I dont enjoy Unreal or Fever etc all that much)

Service may be good, as basically its a PC in a BOX. But right now need more titles for the LIVE. There aren't just enough. I dont wanna have fast nice speed for the ONLINE and a shitty game. UC is a great game and so is Ghost Recon for the Xbox, but Socom is much much better (when it comes to game play atleast).
And In GHOST RECON........ there is nobody there PLAYING online. Atleast you have kids playing on SOCOM servers.

#4 . X Box has 4 controller ports, nuff said (What WAS Sony thinking ?!)

Ok I agree with that....... but the Multi-Tap is not expensive at all, and if you have previous Dual Shock from PsOne, just have to buy a Multi-Tap for cheap price, then paying $40 (Canadian) for the Controller S or the normal one (x 3)

#5 Overall quality. If theres anything you can expect with Microsoft and its products (At least with X Box anyways) Its QUALITY. Better stuff inside and out for the same price, cant beat that.

Graphics is the last thing to check on the games now. They all looks pretty decent. One is more shinny and has nice background. But hey GAMEPLAY matters the most. Ps2 may not have the best graphics as its an YEAR old system, but it sure has 10 times better gameplay (QUALITY) games on it.

#6 . The Playstation 2 is made to break. My friend bought one the day it came out and just last week had to buy a new one because his quit reading disks all together. Then I saw it happening to my PS2 ever so slowly. It starts by not reading DVDs now and then ,then gets progressively worse as time goes by till it stops playing games.

Although Xbox may have more features, like better DVD player which you have to pay $49 (Canadian) to get. And it can play CD-RW cds......... still IN TWO WEEKS TIME, my Xbox has given me more trouble then any console ever. Even my Playstation1 never had freezing problem between games (Never) But Xbox did. And dont know if most of you know or not....but all the Xbox's in the market right now.....they have a pretty bad Lense, it burns real quick. Most probably soon, Microsoft will give retailers a better Xbox with better lense in the market. These one right now are horrible........ Its a market re-search.

Im not TRYING to bash Sony here. I had butt loads of fun with my PS2. But now I feel somewhat betrayed now that Ive really tasted what X Box has to offer and have been burned by Sony’s crappy online playing games and their lack of quality. Sorry if ive bothered anyone...just needed to rant

I am not bashing Xbox as well, just pointing out some things. I have all three consoles........and I love all of them. Still.........Ps2 stands out. Completely.

[Sleazy P Martini]

Ok.....I am an Xbox fan but I'm having a hard time agreeing with #5 & 6.......I'm on my third Xbox, while my first PS2 still hums away. Maybe I just got unlucky. I'm so glad I paid the extra 30 bucks and bought the store warranty for my Xbox.

[mark0™]

My PS2 broke down once, but It was due to the fan burning out (playing GTA3 too long when it came out) but it's not made to break, you need to show it a little care, remember its not a heavy duty industrial machine, It's a little box meant to be carried around easily and sit in the corner of your room.

But I dont think the Xbox is better, I have one, I love my Xbox, PS2 and GC all the same, but I feel the Xbox is a little too powerful, thats sounds daft, but I like having a dainty console with easy to use features like pop open covers to put your disks in for example, so I really enjoy my GC the most, it's just a weird thing I have.

Probably the ultimate console will probably be something as powerful as the Xbox, as easy to operate as the Game Cube and with a vast Games library like the Playstation.

[Spank-A-Thon]

May as well throw in my 2 pence...

Originally posted by Weapon_XZ84
#1. Controllers...too small...waaay to cheaply made. I have had cases where I dropped them and had a button stop working completely. Ive gone through atleast 120 dollars worth of controllers sense purchasing my station about 3 months after its release way back when (X-Box controllers are MUCH sturdier*, and although I dont really like the size of the S type either, its still a better controller than sony's)

None of my SONY controllers have ever broke - and that includes the non-analog controllers I got with my PSX way back in 1996! If you look after your controllers, like I have, then you shouldn't have any problems. I can't really comment on the XBox controllers as I've only used one once or twice.

#2. Sony Online. SCEA, whatever ya wanna call it absolutely SUCKS in comparison to LIVE. Lets face it Live surpasses it in just about every way. Sept for online games at te moment (I dont enjoy Unreal or Fever etc all that much)

LIVE may offer the better all-round service, but you have to pay a monthly fee for it. The PS2 on-line service follows the PC model - ie. most games will be free to play on-line. It depends how you look at it - I'm perfectly happy with my PC on-line gaming, and if PS2 is going to be like that then I'm happy. I don't want to pay monthly for something I might not use that often.

#4 . X Box has 4 controller ports, nuff said (What WAS Sony thinkng ?!)

Indeed, what were SONY thinking? That is what I feel is the biggest flaw with PS2.

#5 Overall quality. If theres anything you can expect with Microsoft and its products (At least with X Box anyways) Its QUALITY. Better stuff inside and out for the same price, cant beat that

Hoo hoo - you surely are not serious! M$ making quality products??? Heh heh - that's a good one!

Do you actually use any M$ products? Imagine buying a car, but it only had three wheels. When you complain to the sales company they tell you not to worry, it will be fixed in Service Pack 1.... That, my friend, is Windows. The operating system the majority of the worlds PC's use is a non-secure, constantly updated 'quality' product.... I won't even get into what I think about Internet Information Server, Frontpage or .NET...

As for the hardware bits being quality... well, you have Intel processor & nVidia graphics - not exactly a whole load of M$ going on there! Considering SONY are one of the leaders in the whole Audio/Visual entertainment market, I really don't see how you can consider their products inferior in terms of quality.

#6 . The Playstation 2 is made to break. My friend bought one the day it came out and just last week had to buy a new one because his quit reading disks all together. Then I saw it happening to my PS2 ever so slowly. It starts by not reading DVDs now and then ,then gets progressively worse as time goes by till it stops playing games

I've had my PS2 since the day of release and NEVER had a problem with it. My PSX is equally still going. Maybe your friend was unlucky - but both of mine have, and will continue to serve me well.

Im not TRYING to bash Sony here. I had butt loads of fun with my PS2. But now I feel somewhat betrayed now that Ive really tasted what X Box has to offer and have been burned by Sony’s crappy online playing games and their lack of quality. Sorry if ive bothered anyone...just needed to rant

For someone who's not trying to bash SONY, you're doing a very good job of it.

You feel betrayed by SONY? Well, 30 million other PS2 owners don't feel betrayed.

Don't blame SONY for bad on-line games - blame the developers, they're the ones who make them. And on-line is just one tiny portion of the game industry - the important bit is still, and will continue to be, off-line gaming.

And on that note, I off to play Gungrave - off-line shooting perfection...

- S

[dan da man]

i agree with, with weaponXZ on the controllers

these y i like them an not

i like ps2 controllers for metal gear solid and evry other title, the touch senstive thing is beautiful.

i like xbox controllers with thm 2 triggers on the back so handy for fps.

so basically i have my ps2 for adventure games and many others

and my xbox for fps because the controller is so handy for them,

overall u cant beat the ps2 controller. even though i luv the xbox controller.

[KraftSLU]

Dude, happy to hear you like your Xbox, bt I am sad to hear you got rid of your PS2 Ditching a game console is like a sin in my books as there are almost always some great games for it! Turbo grafix 16 had Bonk, 3DO had return fire and a few others... But oh well, as long as you are happy. Maybe some day down the road you will have the cash to pick up an old ps2 out of nostalgia and play some of the great titles again

[mark0™]

Hey Spank, It's not too fair to compare the Xbox with the Microsoft Software packages But It does carry on that "95%" completion feel, like you had to buy the Remote control (I think the remote comes with the 'box as standard now) if you wanted to play DVD's, that pissed me off as I could Play DVD's on my PS2 straight out of the Box. Plus, why can't these damn consoles get they're on-line capabilites off as soon as they are on sale *grumble*, I mean come on, the Dreamcast could (Does anyone know when the networks for Gamecube, PS2 and Xbox will be available in the UK if they are not already?)

But yeah, Microsoft is a rip-off merchant, what do you expect from the guy who got to be the Richest man in the world by screwing over IBM eh?

[dan da man]

Originally posted by mark0

Hey Spank, It's not too fair to compare the Xbox with the Microsoft Software packages But It does carry on that "95%" completion feel, like you had to buy the Remote control (I think the remote comes with the 'box as standard now) if you wanted to play DVD's, that pissed me off as I could Play DVD's on my PS2 straight out of the Box. Plus, why can't these damn consoles get they're on-line capabilites off as soon as they are on sale *grumble*, I mean come on, the Dreamcast could (Does anyone know when the networks for Gamecube, PS2 and Xbox will be available in the UK if they are not already?)

But yeah, Microsoft is a rip-off merchant, what do you expect from the guy who got to be the Richest man in the world by screwing over IBM eh?

mark0 the release dat for xbox live in the uk is 14/3/03,
ps2 is out in april i think, and i dont have a clue when gamecube online is coming out in the uk.

[Spank-A-Thon]

Originally posted by mark0

Hey Spank, It's not too fair to compare the Xbox with the Microsoft Software packages But It does carry on that "95%" completion feel, like you had to buy the Remote control

I think it is fair - I was merely countering the arguement that Microsoft make quality goods. Maybe the XBox is well made, maybe it isn't (although ironically, some of the M$ PC peripherals are excellent quality) - if he'd have said the XBox is high quality then I wouldn't have brought M$'s software into things at all!

- S

[ssjtrunks13]

So far my dad's PS2(1 year) and PS1(5 years, maybe longer) are still holding out. I like the PS2 controller a lot and I also feel that the biggest flaw in PS is on;y 2 controller ports, but if they put in four they would have to either change the size of the end that plugs into the system or make it longer.

[Vicious_2003]

Just wanted to make it clear that their were other outlying factors that caused me to switch, such as the fact that my PS2 wasn't working well and was headed for the scrap heap, I couldn't even sell it to any stores that bought used game stuff because it didn't load the games up immediately, I always had to go to the browser and click on the disc to start it up. Also I had everything I ever saved get deleted because my official Sony memory card unformatted itself over night !. Dont ask me how that happened. That made the X Box's hard drive all the more inciting. And just some responses to the replies I read.

1. X Box Live only costs 50 bucks . A one time fee to buy the headset and what not. But no extra fees are certain yet and its very possible (Probable) That they wont be charging anything monthly after the year is up. Also someone mentioned that they didnt like that the the X Box requires the remote to play dvd's and that it costs 50 dollars. First of all it doesn't cost that much, maybe it did when it came out but I saw it yesterday for 29.99. Also the PS2 didn't come with a friggin hard drive and they have the nerve to charge 200 bucks for it separate (PS2 hard drive will come with a keyboard, mouse, etc...!!. WTF that means a PS2 with hard drive is 400 dollars while an X Box comes with one and only costs 200. 212.48 after tax . Oh and lets not mention the network adapter which was 40 dollars, makes the little 30 dollar DVD remote look like Small potatoes (Also you need the update that comes with the PS2 remote to play Region 2 DVD's I do believe)

[DSgamer]

dude, what ur talking about, the hdd with the mouse and keyboard and shit is just so u can make ur ps2 work like a pc (linux), I'm sure u can buy all the parts without having to pay 400 bucks for a the kit, and it's most likely that u'll b paying about 50-80 bucks for the hdd so get ur fact's straigh b4 posting sumthing like this

[XboxKiller]

But the point is that you pay a monthly fee. ps2 is free. now I know its not as good as live But live will never have the games ps2 has. xbox makes good graphics while ps2 makes the best games with good gameplay and graphics that wont disappoint you. you'll come back to sony if you like rpg's just think whats coming out next month
xenosaga
starocean
breath of fire

[Daedaelus]

#1. Controllers...too small...waaay to cheaply made. I have had cases where I dropped them and had a button stop working completely. Ive gone through atleast 120 dollars worth of controllers sense purchasing my station about 3 months after its release way back when (X-Box controllers are MUCH sturdier*, and although I dont really like the size of the S type either, its still a better controller than sony's)

The simple response to this is: stop dropping them! The fact that you have gone through atleast $120 worth of controllers indicates that you are a rather clumsy individual. Ok, I will admit that I've dropped my controller a couple times but it has never stopped working.

#2. Sony Online. SCEA, whatever ya wanna call it absolutely SUCKS in comparison to LIVE. Lets face it Livesurpasses it in just about every way. Sept for online games at te moment (I dont enjoy Unreal or Fever etc all that much)

Like Spank said, you must pay a monthly fee for LIVE.

#3. SOCOM. Never have I been more frustrated and disgusted with a game. Playing online anymore is near impossible. The server is how should I put it....pathetic !!. Takes an average of ten full minutes just to get logged in and if your not disconnected right away it happen suring a game or after a game is played. (The game USED to be AWESOME back before Christmas hit but now the servers are over crowded and most of them are ten year old kids who cant play)

I don't think I've ever encountered a problem like you're describing. As for the "ten year old kids" comment: a lot of children are now getting into M rated games. Perhaps some of those ten year olds are teenage players who stink.

#4 . X Box has 4 controller ports, nuff said (What WAS Sony thinking ?!)

Not too many Multiplayer games on the PS2 are even decent.

#5 Overall quality. If theres anything you can expect with Microsoft and its products (At least with X Box anyways) Its QUALITY. Better stuff inside and out for the same price, cant beat that

That's not true. Remember how bad Windows ME was?! Yechh..!

#6 . The Playstation 2 is made to break. My friend bought one the day it came out and just last week had to buy a new one because his quit reading disks all together. Then I saw it happening to my PS2 ever so slowly. It starts by not reading DVDs now and then ,then gets progressively worse as time goes by till it stops playing games

Then, Sony replaces the PS2 for free. For some odd reason, my PS2 did not read DVDs when I first got it. I called Sony and sent it to them, they tried to fix it, and when they couldn't, they sent me a new one in 2 weeks.

[goodman]

Weapon, Iguana and I will be thinking of you while playing Zelda on the Cube, and i will while playing Contra and DMC2 on the ps2! You can think of me while playing the linear, yet pretty Panzer Dragoon Orta (i had Saga and didnt finish but two disc, kinda didnt excite me). These decisions are individual ones, but without a doubt the console you chose is the last on my list, just because of things like MS put up on their site last week, showing they deserve any criticism that comes their way...

[KraftSLU]

I don't understand how you can make price an issue with either of these online services. Yes, you have to pay a startup fee for XboxLive, but you do get the headset and online demo's with it. You have to pay for your online ps2 adapter and what do you get? Jack. That, and you get a full year of service just with your startup, and they haven't even determined what the monthly charge will be, or if they will do a monthly charge yet.