Metal Gear Solid Substance ships - bad version?

Harry · Nov 6th, 2002, 08:56 PM

I received today the copy of Substance for the Xbox, and well, I was excited. Anyhow, while the game is litterally filled with extras, it incredibly lacks all the smoothness of the original.

This is evident from the very first minutes of the game. On the ship, the framerate is awful when you are under the rain, to the point that it ruins the incredible effect of the Ps2 game. Sadly, I experienced numerous slowdowns and even some clipping issues into the ship, especially when there were more than a few enemies on the screen...

I wasn't sincerely expecting this. After all, few know that great part of the screenshots released in the latest months were taken from the Playstation 2 version of the game, on my opinion already complete, but scheduled for a 2003 release for marketing reasons.

Uchiha Sasuke · Nov 6th, 2002, 09:01 PM

Damn maybe its good i didnt go out and buy it for the xbox yet.Good go harry.Hey if you get more time tell us more about the game,i would like to more details on the xbox version and how it controls to the ps2 version and such.

Harry · Nov 6th, 2002, 09:12 PM

Actually, considering all the extras, I probably would buy the game even with the slowdowns and all the rest... but the point is that probably the Playstation 2 version should have all this without the slowdowns. I was expecting a redesigned engine but here I've the strange impression they just threw the Ps2 version into the Xbox disk tray. What disappoints me is that I'm really not used to see slowdowns so often in a Metal Gear Solid game... it seems... how to say... unnatural.

By the way, the controls may seem a bit strange at first, especially for the lack of the double shoulder buttons, but after a few minutes you should have no problem mastering them.

I'll post something more as soon as I have the time to go deeper into the game; I'm a bit busy reviewing Sly Cooper and GTA: Vice City, but I'm curious to see the stuff into Substance too.

MakgSnake · Nov 6th, 2002, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by MakgSnake from Is Xbox Really screwing Up Games?
I hope the same doesn't happen to MGS2S.

So Xbox is basically.......

How could they do this to MGS2 (Konami, what is going on?.?). Harry does it seem like it was rushed?.?

I just hope the same doesn't happen to the Ps2 Version. No Konami, NO, bad boy!

Frozen · Nov 8th, 2002, 02:47 AM

What surprises me is that is supposed to work better on a superior console... and yet, it does not? This is disappointing, as well as frustrating.

twiztidfreak69er · Nov 8th, 2002, 06:47 AM

Hmm somehow Microsoft Xbox brings me back to the days of lets say...Windows 3.1

j/k

Ninja · Nov 8th, 2002, 08:49 PM

sounds like a F-ed up Rom

Sleazy P Martini · Nov 9th, 2002, 11:37 PM

From what I've read over at the Xbox sites, people are quite pleased with it overall. And from what I remember, there was slight slowdown in the rain on the PS2 version. (but it was very minor)

MakgSnake · Nov 10th, 2002, 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by Sleazy P Martini
there was slight slowdown in the rain on the PS2 version. (but it was very minor)

I never had seen any slow down in my version atleast. NEVER.

As for the Xbox version I was at EB (buying my Document) and I played the Xbox version, it looked the same as ps2 (No improvment that I could notice). The only thing I NOTICED too was the slow down. OUCH, it hurts............. right in the heart!

Sleazy P Martini · Nov 10th, 2002, 12:50 AM

Whenever I ran across the front of the ship, it seemed to slow a bit. Every time too. But like I said, it was minor and barely noticeable. (PS2 version BTW)

MakgSnake · Nov 10th, 2002, 01:02 AM

I dunno yo, I play that game almost everyday, and that also the Tanker chapter all the time. I have never seen anything like that.

Sleazy P Martini · Nov 10th, 2002, 01:10 AM

Is that game ever going GH? Its been out a while.

MakgSnake · Nov 10th, 2002, 01:27 AM

I have nooo idea...... till now it hasn't. Even GTA3. Just wondering why these best sellers aren't going GH.

Uchiha Sasuke · Nov 10th, 2002, 11:35 AM

In the rain the xbox version runs very slowly in contrast with the ps2 version.Same goes for explosions up close.I wonder why they didnt take time to iron it out.

Sid554 · Nov 10th, 2002, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by MakgSnake
I have nooo idea...... till now it hasn't. Even GTA3. Just wondering why these best sellers aren't going GH.

Why settle for 20.00 a copy when you can still get 50.00?

Sleazy P Martini · Nov 10th, 2002, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sid554

Why settle for 20.00 a copy when you can still get 50.00?

Ummmm....because thats $30.00 I could spend elsewhere.

merylsilverburg · Nov 10th, 2002, 08:24 PM

That's too bad. I didn't know Substance was out already, otherwise I probably would've just gotten it and would've been left with this problematic game.

Thanks Harry.

I think I might rent it and see how it is for myself. If the extras are worth to buy it, then I just still might.
However, hearing about all the slowdowns and all makes me shudder in fear....

Daedaelus · Nov 10th, 2002, 11:35 PM

All the stuff Konami has packed into Substance... what did you expect? Anyway, I'm going to buy Substance anyway, for any system. Same old story, just different characters.

Frozen · Nov 11th, 2002, 01:59 AM

We expect the game to have ONLY IMPROVEMENTS, not slowdowns or crap like that. Considering the fact, that X Box is the most powerful console and has the capacity of being exploited in much more ways than a PS2, and having a hard drive, I'm surprised the game would suffer from such symptoms. I still don't have a very valid word on it, though, since I still have not played the game. Gotta rent it.

Beretta55 · Nov 11th, 2002, 03:24 AM

i rented the xbox version and it slowed down quite abit on the tanker it was kinda annoying but no big deal so i dont think im buying the xbox version. plus i cant still get use to the controll's MGS2 on ps2 was easier to controll for some reason. but i will rent the ps2 version of subtance also.

Nov 6th, 2002, 08:56 PM	#1
Harry Administrator Joined: Jan 2002 Location: Here Posts: 1,222	Metal Gear Solid Substance ships - bad version I received today the copy of Substance for the Xbox, and well, I was excited. Anyhow, while the game is litterally filled with extras, it incredibly lacks all the smoothness of the original. This is evident from the very first minutes of the game. On the ship, the framerate is awful when you are under the rain, to the point that it ruins the incredible effect of the Ps2 game. Sadly, I experienced numerous slowdowns and even some clipping issues into the ship, especially when there were more than a few enemies on the screen... I wasn't sincerely expecting this. After all, few know that great part of the screenshots released in the latest months were taken from the Playstation 2 version of the game, on my opinion already complete, but scheduled for a 2003 release for marketing reasons.

Nov 6th, 2002, 09:01 PM	#2
Uchiha Sasuke Cursed Joined: Jan 2002 Location: AWOL! Age: 39 Posts: 3,841	Damn maybe its good i didnt go out and buy it for the xbox yet.Good go harry.Hey if you get more time tell us more about the game,i would like to more details on the xbox version and how it controls to the ps2 version and such. __________________ *~I've Lost Myself, Life no longer matters~* *~The Official Ps2Fantasy Ninja~* *~A Life Without Love, Is No Life At All~* Social Networks

Nov 8th, 2002, 02:47 AM	#5
Frozen Dante May Cry Joined: May 2002 Location: America's Guard of Honor: 82nd Airborne Division Age: 40 Posts: 1,523	What surprises me is that is supposed to work better on a superior console... and yet, it does not? This is disappointing, as well as frustrating. __________________

Nov 9th, 2002, 11:37 PM	#8
Sleazy P Martini Senior Member Joined: Jan 2002 Location: Great White North Posts: 1,582	From what I've read over at the Xbox sites, people are quite pleased with it overall. And from what I remember, there was slight slowdown in the rain on the PS2 version. (but it was very minor) __________________

Nov 10th, 2002, 12:50 AM	#10
Sleazy P Martini Senior Member Joined: Jan 2002 Location: Great White North Posts: 1,582	Whenever I ran across the front of the ship, it seemed to slow a bit. Every time too. But like I said, it was minor and barely noticeable. (PS2 version BTW) __________________

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Nov 6th, 2002, 09:12 PM	#3
Harry Administrator Joined: Jan 2002 Location: Here Posts: 1,222	Actually, considering all the extras, I probably would buy the game even with the slowdowns and all the rest... but the point is that probably the Playstation 2 version should have all this without the slowdowns. I was expecting a redesigned engine but here I've the strange impression they just threw the Ps2 version into the Xbox disk tray. What disappoints me is that I'm really not used to see slowdowns so often in a Metal Gear Solid game... it seems... how to say... unnatural. By the way, the controls may seem a bit strange at first, especially for the lack of the double shoulder buttons, but after a few minutes you should have no problem mastering them. I'll post something more as soon as I have the time to go deeper into the game; I'm a bit busy reviewing Sly Cooper and GTA: Vice City, but I'm curious to see the stuff into Substance too.

Nov 8th, 2002, 06:47 AM	#6
twiztidfreak69er The Freak of da Week Joined: Oct 2002 Location: Hell Age: 40 Posts: 98	Hmm somehow Microsoft Xbox brings me back to the days of lets say...Windows 3.1 j/k

Nov 8th, 2002, 08:49 PM	#7
Ninja Senior Member Joined: Aug 2002 Age: 35 Posts: 358	sounds like a F-ed up Rom

Nov 10th, 2002, 01:02 AM	#11
MakgSnake Senior Member Joined: Jan 2002 Location: Mississuaga, Canada. Posts: 3,554	I dunno yo, I play that game almost everyday, and that also the Tanker chapter all the time. I have never seen anything like that. __________________

Nov 10th, 2002, 01:10 AM	#12
Sleazy P Martini Senior Member Joined: Jan 2002 Location: Great White North Posts: 1,582	Is that game ever going GH? Its been out a while. __________________

Nov 10th, 2002, 01:27 AM	#13
MakgSnake Senior Member Joined: Jan 2002 Location: Mississuaga, Canada. Posts: 3,554	I have nooo idea...... till now it hasn't. Even GTA3. Just wondering why these best sellers aren't going GH. __________________

Nov 10th, 2002, 11:35 AM	#14
Uchiha Sasuke Cursed Joined: Jan 2002 Location: AWOL! Age: 39 Posts: 3,841	In the rain the xbox version runs very slowly in contrast with the ps2 version.Same goes for explosions up close.I wonder why they didnt take time to iron it out. __________________ *~I've Lost Myself, Life no longer matters~* *~The Official Ps2Fantasy Ninja~* *~A Life Without Love, Is No Life At All~* Social Networks

Nov 10th, 2002, 08:24 PM	#17
merylsilverburg Enemy or Ally? Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,023	That's too bad. I didn't know Substance was out already, otherwise I probably would've just gotten it and would've been left with this problematic game. Thanks Harry. I think I might rent it and see how it is for myself. If the extras are worth to buy it, then I just still might. However, hearing about all the slowdowns and all makes me shudder in fear.... __________________ "You're a louse Roger Smith" ~ R. Dorothy Wayneright "Have a little priest" ~ Mrs. Lovett "Grim Reaper, you could not get the women? What was the problem? Didn't you reap them with your grim reaping equipment?" "I tried that but the women, they all know hopscotch" ~ Eddie Izzard You Can Help

Nov 10th, 2002, 11:35 PM	#18
Daedaelus I'm Rick James ***** Joined: Sep 2002 Location: Outset Island Age: 43 Posts: 725	All the stuff Konami has packed into Substance... what did you expect? Anyway, I'm going to buy Substance anyway, for any system. Same old story, just different characters. __________________ The Tree of Life...

Nov 11th, 2002, 01:59 AM	#19
Frozen Dante May Cry Joined: May 2002 Location: America's Guard of Honor: 82nd Airborne Division Age: 40 Posts: 1,523	We expect the game to have ONLY IMPROVEMENTS, not slowdowns or crap like that. Considering the fact, that X Box is the most powerful console and has the capacity of being exploited in much more ways than a PS2, and having a hard drive, I'm surprised the game would suffer from such symptoms. I still don't have a very valid word on it, though, since I still have not played the game. Gotta rent it. __________________

Nov 11th, 2002, 03:24 AM	#20
Beretta55 Reached for the sky Joined: May 2002 Location: The road less traveled Age: 34 Posts: 2,465	i rented the xbox version and it slowed down quite abit on the tanker it was kinda annoying but no big deal so i dont think im buying the xbox version. plus i cant still get use to the controll's MGS2 on ps2 was easier to controll for some reason. but i will rent the ps2 version of subtance also. __________________

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