MGS Series Story Questions/Holes? - Major Spoilers!!!

Zanku · Jun 7th, 2003, 08:35 AM

Thought we could discuss all the holes that people find in the MGS storyline...OR things that you dont understand in the storyline. I find myself asking odd questions over at different threads, which are off topic i guess...So thought i should start this thread.

Okay, i am not sure if all questions and answers should be marked as spoilers, or just post openly? Thread topic states Major Spoilers for the story, MakgSnake what do you think? In the mean time heres a question.

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dan da man · Jun 7th, 2003, 10:02 AM

*********Could be a spoiler*********

Zanku he was never a real person, like I said let makg or someone else do the full explaining becuase he's the one who told me about it.

mark0™ · Jun 7th, 2003, 12:41 PM

Dan use the spoiler tags.

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I know more dodgy issues in MGs but cant remember totally, goto go get ready for the pub

merylsilverburg · Jun 7th, 2003, 02:51 PM

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Dan use the spoiler tags.

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Yes, that's what I got too and also from an explaination from Makg. And I think: (Just in case anyone is wondering)

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At least, that's what I got from the game. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

Zephyr · Jun 7th, 2003, 03:32 PM

OK I have a question but I bet I just missed the answer somewhere in the game:

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dan da man · Jun 7th, 2003, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by Zephyr

OK I have a question but I bet I just missed the answer somewhere in the game:

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On the tanker epsidoe or plant epsiode? Then I can answer the question.

Forgot to use the spoiler option, sorry.

Zephyr · Jun 7th, 2003, 04:51 PM

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dan da man · Jun 7th, 2003, 05:08 PM

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Zephyr · Jun 7th, 2003, 05:25 PM

OK well thanks for the help anyways.

Dark Angel · Jun 7th, 2003, 05:45 PM

the S3 plan wasn't to create soldiers like Solid Snake, it was to be used by the Patriots to control will and consciousness

MakgSnake · Jun 7th, 2003, 09:43 PM

Zephyr, ...... about your question.

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As for Colonel

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And the S3

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Zanku · Jun 8th, 2003, 06:11 AM

Thanks MakgSnake!

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Lol i should know this...but im getting confused

dan da man · Jun 8th, 2003, 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by MakgSnake

Zephyr, ...... about your question.

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mark0™ · Jun 8th, 2003, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by merylsilverburg

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At least, that's what I got from the game. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

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MakgSnake · Jun 8th, 2003, 09:46 PM

Zanku, about that Ninja question..

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Mark...about Rose..

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mark0™ · Jun 9th, 2003, 07:51 AM

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MakgSnake · Jun 9th, 2003, 08:53 AM

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mark0™ · Jun 9th, 2003, 11:10 AM

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dan da man · Jun 9th, 2003, 11:57 AM

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Exactly, the AI programme would of not known everys single detail, otherwise it must of been reading Rose's mind at the time.

Zephyr · Jun 9th, 2003, 01:01 PM

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Jun 7th, 2003, 08:35 AM	#1
Zanku Zen Attitude Joined: Nov 2002 Location: Namek Age: 38 Posts: 176	MGS Series Story Questions/Holes? - Major Spoilers!!! Thought we could discuss all the holes that people find in the MGS storyline...OR things that you dont understand in the storyline. I find myself asking odd questions over at different threads, which are off topic i guess...So thought i should start this thread. Okay, i am not sure if all questions and answers should be marked as spoilers, or just post openly? Thread topic states Major Spoilers for the story, MakgSnake what do you think? In the mean time heres a question. Spoiler: show Did Snake ever meet the Colonel? I never understood hat part of MGS2, when it turned out Campbell is a computer program, things got confusing! Was he ever a real person?? __________________ "A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackel!" Grey Fox

Jun 7th, 2003, 10:02 AM	#2
dan da man Talk to the hand Joined: Nov 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 3,520	*******Could be a spoiler******* Zanku he was never a real person, like I said let makg or someone else do the full explaining becuase he's the one who told me about it. __________________ Gaming Is For Life, Not Just For Christmas!

Jun 7th, 2003, 12:41 PM	#3
mark0™ Extinct. Joined: Nov 2002 Age: 37 Posts: 1,185	Dan use the spoiler tags. Spoiler: show I reckon Snake met the Colonel at least once while he was in Fox-Hound he must have met him, besides I doubt the technology existed then. But Raiden has never met the Colonel, I'm pretty sure of that. Remember the S3 Plan (is that the right name?) was meant to re-create Shadow Moses, as close as possible to train potential Snakes. So Raiden "passed" and he's probably going to work aside Snake against the Patriots. I know more dodgy issues in MGs but cant remember totally, goto go get ready for the pub

Jun 7th, 2003, 03:32 PM	#5
Zephyr 450BHP Psycopath Joined: Jun 2003 Location: UK Age: 34 Posts: 336	OK I have a question but I bet I just missed the answer somewhere in the game: Spoiler: show What happened to Metal Gear RAY after Ocelot stole it and said he would meet at the arranged time and then used the term "Mr President". __________________

Jun 7th, 2003, 04:51 PM	#7
Zephyr 450BHP Psycopath Joined: Jun 2003 Location: UK Age: 34 Posts: 336	Spoiler: show At the very end of the tanker episode with the FMV Ocelot stole Metal Gear RAY off the Marines and when swimming through the water he said he owuld meet as arranged to a certain "Mr President!" __________________

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Jun 7th, 2003, 05:08 PM	#8
dan da man Talk to the hand Joined: Nov 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 3,520	Spoiler: show I think that is President Johnson. Becuase he was a coperating with Ocelot and his group, (damn I forgot there name) at the time., that is something I dont understand too good point. (or havent played MGS2 in along time) __________________ Gaming Is For Life, Not Just For Christmas!

Jun 7th, 2003, 05:25 PM	#9
Zephyr 450BHP Psycopath Joined: Jun 2003 Location: UK Age: 34 Posts: 336	OK well thanks for the help anyways. __________________

Jun 7th, 2003, 05:45 PM	#10
Dark Angel [space filler] Joined: Feb 2002 Location: England Posts: 226	the S3 plan wasn't to create soldiers like Solid Snake, it was to be used by the Patriots to control will and consciousness

Jun 7th, 2003, 09:43 PM	#11
MakgSnake Senior Member Joined: Jan 2002 Location: Mississuaga, Canada. Posts: 3,554	Zephyr, ...... about your question. Spoiler: show That is Solidus he is talking to, because Tanker chapter took place 2 years before the PLANT chapter, and Solidus A.KA Goerge Sears was the president at that time. He was taken down as the president by the patriots after that, because he arranged the Shadow Mosses incident without The Patriots supervision. And Solidus knew that he'll be taken down soon. As for Colonel Spoiler: show Colonel, Also Known as Roy Cambell is a real person, he is Solid Snake's really good friend. Snake has worked with Roy for more then 10 years. But Colonel in MGS2 wasn't real. I believe the real colonel didn't even know that a program that looks like him is being run by The Patriots. I dont know how will he react in real when he finds out. I hope they show something in MGS3. And the S3 Spoiler: show Dark Angel is very right about that....also to re-create something that has happened before. They wanted to see if that is a possibility or not. __________________

Jun 8th, 2003, 06:11 AM	#12
Zanku Zen Attitude Joined: Nov 2002 Location: Namek Age: 38 Posts: 176	Thanks MakgSnake! Spoiler: show Is Gray Fox definately dead then? Are those Ninja suits from FOXHOUND or some place else? Lol i should know this...but im getting confused __________________ "A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackel!" Grey Fox

Jun 8th, 2003, 09:46 PM	#15
MakgSnake Senior Member Joined: Jan 2002 Location: Mississuaga, Canada. Posts: 3,554	Zanku, about that Ninja question.. Spoiler: show Ninja also known as Grey Fox died in Zanzibar, and Snake is the person who killed him. But after doing experiments on him, he turned out be a Cyber Ninja. In the end of MGS1, he was crushed by Liquid (through Metal Gear Rex). But if you real the book written by Meryl, which can be read in MGS2. You will find that Niomi Hunter was sent to jail for acting as a spy (injecting Snake with FoxDie). BUT, at the end of the book, it says that Niami is recused from the jail by an unknown person, and it impliments that "there is only one person who can sneak in through the tight security and rescue Miss Hunter, and only one person would wanna take this risk". That is HER BROTHER "Grey Fox" --> Ninja. Which means that Ninja is still alive. Mark...about Rose.. Spoiler: show Just like everything was fed into Colonel's AI, just like that every information (Data) was stored into Rose's AI. __________________

Jun 9th, 2003, 07:51 AM	#16
mark0™ Extinct. Joined: Nov 2002 Age: 37 Posts: 1,185	Spoiler: show But how did the AI get all the info? Surely it would have to do something like upload itself into her mind or something to make it seem more believable. Yeah Grey Fox is still kicking about somewhere, how can he die, he's already dead. Vamp will probably be back but I don't really like him as a character. But I think the MG storyline is pushine near ridiculous e.g. Vampires, Severed Hands controlling peoples minds lol. Hope they tone it down a little in the next MG's to make the storylines a little more believable.

Jun 9th, 2003, 08:53 AM	#17
MakgSnake Senior Member Joined: Jan 2002 Location: Mississuaga, Canada. Posts: 3,554	Spoiler: show AI is a program, and it can think by itself. Rose was working with the Patriots for more then 2 years, since the Tanker Chapter. When Raiden went on a mission.........they must have created that program to guide him. And didn't want the real rose to be there. But as AI was real Rose's mind put into it, the AI started acting like how the REAL Rose would. Rose was in love with Raiden. __________________

Jun 9th, 2003, 11:10 AM	#18
mark0™ Extinct. Joined: Nov 2002 Age: 37 Posts: 1,185	Spoiler: show Yeah I know all that, but how can the AI know all those details to fool Raiden, it must have to read Rose's mind or something, becuase I doubt the AI was just guessing. And Rose would have to be a hell of a gossip if all the info was keyed in . Hope you know what I mean by that.

Jun 9th, 2003, 01:01 PM	#20
Zephyr 450BHP Psycopath Joined: Jun 2003 Location: UK Age: 34 Posts: 336	Spoiler: show Unlike the Colnel did Rose actually know an A.I. model of her was built then or was she oblivious to that fact too? __________________

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