Am I the only one who likes Raiden? - Page 2

Pu the Owl · Mar 15th, 2002, 03:45 PM

SSSnake and Makg, we were talking about the THING Snake wears around his head. Maybe you call it in another way?

Dark Angel, Jack and Rose were sweet, but out of place in some parts :p
What about Raiden talking to Rose about King Kong while in terrible danger? Sorry, but that seemed a bit excessive

Uchiha Sasuke · Mar 15th, 2002, 03:51 PM

Oh you mean the bandana,i got you now.

Dark Angel · Mar 15th, 2002, 03:51 PM

I thought it was funny cos it was so misplaced, and when Raiden goes "this isnt a very good time" she still tells him anyway! And right at the end is sweet......

Carlito · Mar 15th, 2002, 04:23 PM

The only thing I suggest to the ones who ask me about MGS2 and Raiden before playing the game is : "Do not make comparison between Raiden and Snake".
I'm sure people don't like Raiden very much not because he's a bad character, but only because they think "It's not Snake". Kojima didn't want Snake to be the hero of MGS2 for the reasons you mentioned. So it was his intention making Raiden very different from Snake.
Comparing them is pointless.
I liked Riden very much, he's perfect for his role.

*minor spoilers*
I liked also the fact he uses the sword during the final duel against Solidus.

Dark Angel · Mar 15th, 2002, 06:31 PM

was I comparing them? dont think so, cos you're right they are completely different

Carlito · Mar 15th, 2002, 06:40 PM

I didn't mean to say you were comparing them.
The topic is "Am I the only one who likes Raiden?". I only tried to explain why many people say they don't like Raiden at all.

MakgSnake · Mar 18th, 2002, 03:51 PM

I Think Nobody Hates Raiden. Its Not Like Just Cause He Is Not Solid Snake And Not Like Solid Snake, That People Hate Him Or Dislike Him.

I Believe The Reason People Dont Like Raiden Because.....He Was An Unexpected Character.

Its Not Raiden's Character Or His Main Image, Its Just The Fact That We Didn't Get To Play As Snake, Thats Why People Didn't Like Him.

Raiden Is A New Character, He HAD TO be Totally Different From Snake. Otherwise Whats The Point Of Introducing A Totally New Character.

Atleast For Me, The Reason I Didn't Like Raiden Before Was Because I Waited 2 Whole Years To Be SNAKE Again, To Play As The Legendary Soldier, And What I Got Or Handled Was Raiden.

Raiden's Character Is Amazing, Perfect For His Role. There Is Nothing Wrong With It At All. Its Just That..........When People Expect To Have A Pizza At Dinner And Wait For 5 Hours, And Then End Up Eating Only Peanut Butter Sandwich (Which Is Also GOOD), They Do Get Upset Or A Little Mad (They Have A Right)

And Yes Snake And Raiden Are Totally Different Characters, But Still Everything In This World Can Be Compared So Can These Two Poly Characters!.!

Neways.... And Yeah.....I Just Love SNAKE With His BANDANA! That Is Sooooooooooo COOL!.! (Ok I May Sound Like A Girl) But WOW, He Looks Awesome!.! Amazing. Outstanding!.! Snake Rules Yo!.!

Uchiha Sasuke · Mar 18th, 2002, 06:26 PM

Another reason some people could dislike raiden is the hype centered around solid snake and how the game showed him off and had people all excited to play as him again.Then when they purchase the game the releasize that they only get to play as him for about 1/3 of the game and feel a little disipointed.

Reid · Mar 18th, 2002, 06:57 PM

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Raiden's Character Is Amazing, Perfect For His Role. There Is Nothing Wrong With It At All. Its Just That..........When People Expect To Have A Pizza At Dinner And Wait For 5 Hours, And Then End Up Eating Only Peanut Butter Sandwich (Which Is Also GOOD), They Do Get Upset Or A Little Mad (They Have A Right)

That's exactly what I think.

I have a feeling that if MGS2 hadn't been as hyped, or made out to be a game starring Solid Snake then people wouldn't have been as disappointed with Raiden.

My only problem with him was, that when I was playing the game the first time I kept waiting to play as Snake again.

But when I look back, I think it made the story better in the end and also leaves the game open for a pseudo-sequel where you could play the entire game as Solid Snake.

Dark Wolf · Mar 19th, 2002, 02:30 PM

I think Raiden was a pretty cool character and I hope he will make a come back in MGS3 with Solid Snake

merylsilverburg · Mar 19th, 2002, 04:41 PM

Oh boy. I could feel heads turning towards me during this entire conversation because a lot of people think I don't like Raiden as much. Well, just like SSSnake said, there was a lot of hype surrounding Snake and the game itself, and I was one of those people who thought I was going to play as Snake, but got slightly disappointed because it ended up I had to play as Raiden. It was very unexpected, just like Makg said. But, that's not a reason to not like him. I thought his character was very intersting, and I kept trying to think of who he could be related to, and why he was so important in the game. SPOILERS:

I thought Raiden was another son of Big Boss (don't ask) but then I found out he was Solidus' son, so then I was like "Ohhh....that makes more sense" and I thought about all the crap he had to go through and everything, so I understood him a little better.

But, that doesn't mean I don't like the guy. Honestly, the only thing I didn't like about him, was the fact he was so whiny and his conversations with Rose are so

zzz. Makes me want to skip those scenes but I was afraid I would miss something. Anyway, Raiden does add something different to MGS2 and I'm glad he was there, because then it would make the story a little different for MGS3. But, as for him coming back to MGS3...it seems unlikely to me because the ending of MGS2 suggested nothing about his return. At least it seemed like that to me.

Uchiha Sasuke · Mar 19th, 2002, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by merylsilverburg
Oh boy. I could feel heads turning towards me during this entire conversation because a lot of people think I don't like Raiden as much. Well, just like SSSnake said, there was a lot of hype surrounding Snake and the game itself, and I was one of those people who thought I was going to play as Snake, but got slightly disappointed because it ended up I had to play as Raiden. It was very unexpected, just like Makg said. But, that's not a reason to not like him. I thought his character was very intersting, and I kept trying to think of who he could be related to, and why he was so important in the game. SPOILERS:

I thought Raiden was another son of Big Boss (don't ask) but then I found out he was Solidus' son, so then I was like "Ohhh....that makes more sense" and I thought about all the crap he had to go through and everything, so I understood him a little better.

But, that doesn't mean I don't like the guy. Honestly, the only thing I didn't like about him, was the fact he was so whiny and his conversations with Rose are so zzz. Makes me want to skip those scenes but I was afraid I would miss something. Anyway, Raiden does add something different to MGS2 and I'm glad he was there, because then it would make the story a little different for MGS3. But, as for him coming back to MGS3...it seems unlikely to me because the ending of MGS2 suggested nothing about his return. At least it seemed like that to me.

Spoiler...................

Solidus raised raiden after he killed off his parents he was never his biological parent

merylsilverburg · Mar 19th, 2002, 07:14 PM

Oh yeah! That's right! *smacks herself in the head* I forgot! Thanks, SSSnake.

Bhcdarkness · Mar 28th, 2002, 07:21 PM

i think raiden has got skills. i mean there isnt a chance in HELL that i could pull a lay out back flip OVER AN EDGE and then grab the rail like it was a walk in the park. hell no.

or pull those no handed cart wheels... but he holds a gun like a sissy, and squats like a girl.

gotta love him.

Andi · Apr 20th, 2002, 08:10 AM

I think Raiden is as good as Snake @ something's...
For Example The way he Flip's over the edge The way he does a forward roll & kick's
The Punch & Kick Combo is Beta

macario · May 14th, 2002, 03:33 PM

raiden is hella cool

SilverJackel · May 17th, 2002, 05:17 AM

Are you kidding? Raiden's cool. sure he's not solid snake, but what would be the point of adding ANOTHER snake, there's already three! raiden's still an amature (that dark secret aside) but he just fits in. plus he's more graceful than snake will ever be, and he's got a sword.
btw, am i the only one who actually liked fighting along side snake? i mean i was dissapointed it didn't happen more often, take that scene after Occelot kills Fortune for example. I would have loved to take on Liquid with Solidus and Snake. who knows, maby it's just me.

Beretta55 · May 19th, 2002, 01:04 AM

i think raiden is a cool charcter but i did not expect him but i still like him but if he codecs too much it gets on my nervers. but if he codecs one more time i will throw myslef thur a window ok those are my two cents.

Esjay · May 24th, 2002, 08:00 PM

Raiden was no Solid Snake, but he was a good character on his own. His voice was pretty good, it suited his character. His outfit was AWESOME gotta love that skull suit. His battle skills were incredible, especially the backflip-onto-a-rail-and-hang-there-before-the-guard-sees you- move ^_^. The only real problem I had with him was that he looked like a female...very much so, but that's no reason to judge a character! As for the people who are pissed off because of Raiden taking the place of Snake, you'd be mad if it was Raiden through-out the series and then the 'new guy' Snake just waltzes (sp on in and takes the place of your beloved hero. I think that some people really wanted to play as Snake, since he's the greatest video game character ever (lol) and I think they'd be mad even if you got to play as a Devil May Cry esque character (lol)

SilverJackel · May 25th, 2002, 08:25 AM

Dante? in MGS2? wow, GREAT IDEA! lol, just kidding, to be honest i'm not sure he'd fit in very well, but it'd probably make a fun sub-game (how about dante vs. vamp?) . on the subject of other playable characters, i would have liked to play as liquid, it always more fun playing the bad guy right? or maby meyrl since she'd add alot to the story.

Mar 15th, 2002, 03:51 PM	#22
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Mar 18th, 2002, 03:51 PM	#27
MakgSnake Senior Member Joined: Jan 2002 Location: Mississuaga, Canada. Posts: 3,554	I Think! I Think Nobody Hates Raiden. Its Not Like Just Cause He Is Not Solid Snake And Not Like Solid Snake, That People Hate Him Or Dislike Him. I Believe The Reason People Dont Like Raiden Because.....He Was An Unexpected Character. Its Not Raiden's Character Or His Main Image, Its Just The Fact That We Didn't Get To Play As Snake, Thats Why People Didn't Like Him. Raiden Is A New Character, He HAD TO be Totally Different From Snake. Otherwise Whats The Point Of Introducing A Totally New Character. Atleast For Me, The Reason I Didn't Like Raiden Before Was Because I Waited 2 Whole Years To Be SNAKE Again, To Play As The Legendary Soldier, And What I Got Or Handled Was Raiden. Raiden's Character Is Amazing, Perfect For His Role. There Is Nothing Wrong With It At All. Its Just That..........When People Expect To Have A Pizza At Dinner And Wait For 5 Hours, And Then End Up Eating Only Peanut Butter Sandwich (Which Is Also GOOD), They Do Get Upset Or A Little Mad (They Have A Right) And Yes Snake And Raiden Are Totally Different Characters, But Still Everything In This World Can Be Compared So Can These Two Poly Characters!.! Neways.... And Yeah.....I Just Love SNAKE With His BANDANA! That Is Sooooooooooo COOL!.! (Ok I May Sound Like A Girl) But WOW, He Looks Awesome!.! Amazing. Outstanding!.! Snake Rules Yo!.! __________________

Mar 18th, 2002, 06:26 PM	#28
Uchiha Sasuke Cursed Joined: Jan 2002 Location: AWOL! Age: 39 Posts: 3,841	Another reason some people could dislike raiden is the hype centered around solid snake and how the game showed him off and had people all excited to play as him again.Then when they purchase the game the releasize that they only get to play as him for about 1/3 of the game and feel a little disipointed. __________________ *~I've Lost Myself, Life no longer matters~* *~The Official Ps2Fantasy Ninja~* *~A Life Without Love, Is No Life At All~* Social Networks

Apr 20th, 2002, 08:10 AM	#35
Andi Banned Member Joined: Apr 2002 Location: Third Place Age: 45 Posts: 748	Raiden I think Raiden is as good as Snake @ something's... For Example The way he Flip's over the edge The way he does a forward roll & kick's The Punch & Kick Combo is Beta

May 19th, 2002, 01:04 AM	#38
Beretta55 Reached for the sky Joined: May 2002 Location: The road less traveled Age: 34 Posts: 2,465	i think raiden is a cool charcter but i did not expect him but i still like him but if he codecs too much it gets on my nervers. but if he codecs one more time i will throw myslef thur a window ok those are my two cents. __________________

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Mar 15th, 2002, 03:45 PM	#21
Pu the Owl Useless Oracle™ Joined: Jan 2002 Location: Everywhere Posts: 5,136	SSSnake and Makg, we were talking about the THING Snake wears around his head. Maybe you call it in another way? Dark Angel, Jack and Rose were sweet, but out of place in some parts :p What about Raiden talking to Rose about King Kong while in terrible danger? Sorry, but that seemed a bit excessive

Mar 15th, 2002, 03:51 PM	#23
Dark Angel [space filler] Joined: Feb 2002 Location: England Posts: 226	I thought it was funny cos it was so misplaced, and when Raiden goes "this isnt a very good time" she still tells him anyway! And right at the end is sweet......

Mar 15th, 2002, 04:23 PM	#24
Carlito Puerto Rican Knight Joined: Jan 2002 Location: In a Bar, Under the Sea Posts: 513	The only thing I suggest to the ones who ask me about MGS2 and Raiden before playing the game is : "Do not make comparison between Raiden and Snake". I'm sure people don't like Raiden very much not because he's a bad character, but only because they think "It's not Snake". Kojima didn't want Snake to be the hero of MGS2 for the reasons you mentioned. So it was his intention making Raiden very different from Snake. Comparing them is pointless. I liked Riden very much, he's perfect for his role. minor spoilers I liked also the fact he uses the sword during the final duel against Solidus.

Mar 15th, 2002, 06:31 PM	#25
Dark Angel [space filler] Joined: Feb 2002 Location: England Posts: 226	was I comparing them? dont think so, cos you're right they are completely different

Mar 15th, 2002, 06:40 PM	#26
Carlito Puerto Rican Knight Joined: Jan 2002 Location: In a Bar, Under the Sea Posts: 513	I didn't mean to say you were comparing them. The topic is "Am I the only one who likes Raiden?". I only tried to explain why many people say they don't like Raiden at all.

Mar 19th, 2002, 02:30 PM	#30
Dark Wolf Welcome to Hell Joined: Feb 2002 Location: In my own little private Hell Age: 37 Posts: 27	I think Raiden was a pretty cool character and I hope he will make a come back in MGS3 with Solid Snake

Mar 19th, 2002, 04:41 PM	#31
merylsilverburg Enemy or Ally? Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,023	Oh boy. I could feel heads turning towards me during this entire conversation because a lot of people think I don't like Raiden as much. Well, just like SSSnake said, there was a lot of hype surrounding Snake and the game itself, and I was one of those people who thought I was going to play as Snake, but got slightly disappointed because it ended up I had to play as Raiden. It was very unexpected, just like Makg said. But, that's not a reason to not like him. I thought his character was very intersting, and I kept trying to think of who he could be related to, and why he was so important in the game. SPOILERS: I thought Raiden was another son of Big Boss (don't ask) but then I found out he was Solidus' son, so then I was like "Ohhh....that makes more sense" and I thought about all the crap he had to go through and everything, so I understood him a little better. But, that doesn't mean I don't like the guy. Honestly, the only thing I didn't like about him, was the fact he was so whiny and his conversations with Rose are so zzz. Makes me want to skip those scenes but I was afraid I would miss something. Anyway, Raiden does add something different to MGS2 and I'm glad he was there, because then it would make the story a little different for MGS3. But, as for him coming back to MGS3...it seems unlikely to me because the ending of MGS2 suggested nothing about his return. At least it seemed like that to me.

Mar 19th, 2002, 07:14 PM	#33
merylsilverburg Enemy or Ally? Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,023	Oh yeah! That's right! smacks herself in the head I forgot! Thanks, SSSnake.

Mar 28th, 2002, 07:21 PM	#34
Bhcdarkness Sanity Seeker Joined: Feb 2002 Location: Earth Age: 37 Posts: 42	i think raiden has got skills. i mean there isnt a chance in HELL that i could pull a lay out back flip OVER AN EDGE and then grab the rail like it was a walk in the park. hell no. or pull those no handed cart wheels... but he holds a gun like a sissy, and squats like a girl. gotta love him.

May 14th, 2002, 03:33 PM	#36
macario Banned Member Joined: May 2002 Posts: 54	raiden is hella cool

May 17th, 2002, 05:17 AM	#37
SilverJackel Registered User Joined: May 2002 Posts: 8	Are you kidding? Raiden's cool. sure he's not solid snake, but what would be the point of adding ANOTHER snake, there's already three! raiden's still an amature (that dark secret aside) but he just fits in. plus he's more graceful than snake will ever be, and he's got a sword. btw, am i the only one who actually liked fighting along side snake? i mean i was dissapointed it didn't happen more often, take that scene after Occelot kills Fortune for example. I would have loved to take on Liquid with Solidus and Snake. who knows, maby it's just me.

May 24th, 2002, 08:00 PM	#39
Esjay ::Viewtiful:: Joined: May 2002 Location: Nisan Sect. Age: 36 Posts: 508	Raiden was no Solid Snake, but he was a good character on his own. His voice was pretty good, it suited his character. His outfit was AWESOME gotta love that skull suit. His battle skills were incredible, especially the backflip-onto-a-rail-and-hang-there-before-the-guard-sees you- move ^_^. The only real problem I had with him was that he looked like a female...very much so, but that's no reason to judge a character! As for the people who are pissed off because of Raiden taking the place of Snake, you'd be mad if it was Raiden through-out the series and then the 'new guy' Snake just waltzes (sp on in and takes the place of your beloved hero. I think that some people really wanted to play as Snake, since he's the greatest video game character ever (lol) and I think they'd be mad even if you got to play as a Devil May Cry esque character (lol)

May 25th, 2002, 08:25 AM	#40
SilverJackel Registered User Joined: May 2002 Posts: 8	Dante? in MGS2? wow, GREAT IDEA! lol, just kidding, to be honest i'm not sure he'd fit in very well, but it'd probably make a fun sub-game (how about dante vs. vamp?) . on the subject of other playable characters, i would have liked to play as liquid, it always more fun playing the bad guy right? or maby meyrl since she'd add alot to the story.

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