[Deathwatchz]

What you just said proves you have'nt lived in a all-black neighborhood. I am far from a racist, two of my ex-g/f's were black, and some of my best friends are black, but the fact of the matter is that racism affects everyone. Wether you are black or white, you will deal with racism one way or another. The thing that pisses me off about it is that in a majority of cases, when a white person calls "racism", it is brushed off, but when a minority calls it, it gets a lawsuit brought up. For a perfect example, my father works at social security. He has worked there for 22 years. He has the best record out of everyone there, yet is passed up on promotions for 20 year old african-american women. If you say there is no racism there, look at the statistics in his job. Every other culture group makes the bare minimum for the color percentage. His job has them hire a certain percantage of people based on sex and color. If they don't meet the quota, they are fined and put under evaluation. Every other group JUST makes the cut, but black females are three and a half times higher than the minimum. If you are trying to say that "we have to pay for the acts of our forefathers" then what about the african tribe leaders that would capture other tribes and sell them to the "white man" for money??? The majority of the slaves were captured by their OWN PEOPLE!!! You say that they had to deal with so much in the past, well like a lot of people say THE S%^& AINT HAPPENING AS MUCH NOW! Why should they be given special treatment because someone's great grandfather beat their great grandfather around? Should the jewish take over germany cause of what hitler did? I can't count the number of times that I have walked down a street in my own neighborhood and gotten harassed by a group of black guys just because i was white, and in "their" neighborhood. When someone shoots at you and says "get the F$%^ out of my neighborhood white boy", talk to me then. I can understand where he is coming from. I do think it is slightly racist what he said about black people starting problems, but part of me agrees with him, cause i've never been robbed by a white guy! just two days ago, two of my friends got the S%^& beat out of them cause they were white. What do you have to say about that? Should their kids have to allow white guys to call racism on them for what they did? As for saying that he is judging an entire race by the actions of others is ludicrous. He is stating the well-known fact that in low class, urban neighborhoods, the majority of crimes are commited by african americans. Judging people by statistics is not wrong. He is simply being precautious. I don't hold actions of others against everyone, yet it doesn't mean that I can't keep an eye out. I will allow a person to prove me wrong without giving them any attitude, but the treatment that I have recieved at the hands of others has often been more negative when coming from a black guy. If I meet someone black who treats me like another human being, I will be more civil than anyone around here, but when I walk down the street to catcalls of "cracker" and "ghost", it makes me wary. As for the comment about what they recieved giving them the right to be rude and mannerless to any white person, does the fact that I've been shot at three times by them give me the right to f^&*ing shoot someone who calls me a cracker? You say that they haven't done anything but make us feel uncomfortable, but I've got the damn scars to prove THAT little theory wrong. I have brought up racist remarks towards me to school officials three times , yet they didn't even talk to the person, but when my friend got called "whitey", and responded with, "f&*% you spook", he got expelled.... You apparently have not had the experience of true interaction between races. I can believe that you went to a school with 8 black guys. They probably acted like white guys didn't they? I went to a school where me and a friend were the only two white guys there, and we got shoved around in the hall all the time. When it is 2 on 2000, you can see stuff like that. My neighborhood is definitely in the MIDDLE of the ghetto, in detroit's west side. You act as if it isn't a difference when someone lives in a seperate area. I'm not trying to say that I am the specialist on black people, i'm just trying to say IVE HAD A LOT MORE EXPERIENCE. Yes, if you have lived in an all-white neighborhood, you have more knowledge about white culture than I do, cause I never see white culture around here. You also mentioned that "those 2 groups of people have been opressed for how long?" what about the other groups of people that got oppressed, the irish, the chinese, the jewish, the mexicans, why didnt you mention them? It's understandable what you are trying to say, but the knowledge-base that you are placing your argument on is very narrow and unstable. You can try to tell me to burn in hell for what I have said, but you are being an ignorant bastard. When you have truly experienced the situation that we are trying to explain, then you might change your mind some. I'm not advocating racism in any way whatsoever, i am totally against it, yet i am against it for EVERYONE!! You just contradicted your damn self by saying "black people can be rude to whites whenever they feel like it" That is just as racist as anything. You can try to tell me what the hell is going on in the world, but until you know what you are talking about, don't come harping in the group, and trying to act as if you are smarter than anyone. If ya wanna pick a political battle with someone, try it with me. I can tell you right now, whatever you try to fire at me will be shot down "with a quickness" as my black friends would say. Have a nice day! Hope i didn't give you too bad of a headache ripping your argument apart.