MGS4:Guns of the Patriot (E3 06) **SPOILERS**
as many of you already know Kojima will show a new trailer at E3
i found an this audio, the first 90 seconds of the MGS4 trailer posted from his podcast. :lick: https://www.blog.konami.jp/gs/img/the...report_015.mp3 translation : Spoiler: show :arrr: |
Just been watching the Sony conference... enduring more like. MGS4 came on.
OH.... MY... GOD I want this game :O The single most awesome thing? Spoiler: show ZOMG :P |
that was the only good thing to a disappointing sony conference.
i pretty much shit myself after they showed the trailer. Spoiler: show ** heres the direct feed, better quality trailer ** oh, the FULL 10 minute trailer will be shown tomorrow. cant wait for that. :lick: |
Oh my god...that was amazing...and holy, holy crap
Spoiler: show Please Vic, have a link to the 10 minute trailer tomorrow, okay? O_O;;; |
I was watching the Sony conference and merely 10 minutes before the MGS4 trailer (or so my buddy who I was talking to at the time told me.) the video feed that was playing on game spot went DEAD. I'm dead serious the video up and died on me and I missed the full trailer, I was EXTREMELY pissed. Later somebody hosted a cam version at the show floor (was a bit shaky) on youtube the quality was meh but it still showed it all. That video was awesome it melted my face. :laugh:
I always liked Raiden and didn't mind him in MGS2, this just makes him even more badass. It was an awesome video, I can't wait to see the full trailer tomorrow, should be great. |
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I've been watching it again and again and now that I'm past the whole awe of the video, now it's time for me to calmly assess it.
Yes, the trailer was badass, but after watching it several times, there's something inherently sad about it. Part of the sadness could be the music, the woman vocalizing, but most of the part is seeing each of the characters appear with the effects of their name, their kanji/Chinese character representation (which reminds me of those honorable and patriotic Japanese films), the rain blotches, and then the characters themselves. Seeing how much everyone has changed, but not for the better particularly...because you can see the weariness in their faces and the eyes...especially Spoiler: show Spoiler: show But I think what really gets to me about this trailer is: everyone has grown up. The themes of youth and innocence, both has died. The past games, even though they were quite dramatic, there was always something...something "fun" about it and something innocent...but now, there's no traces of that whatsoever and I feel this final game, especially since you can clearly see their expressions, will be quite powerful even moreso than MGS2 and 3. I look forward to this game so much and I want it now...yet, I dread it at the same time because I don't know if my heart can take it. |
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Minor technically of me not being interested in a single other game or aspect of the PS3 mind you... I guess I just have to pray for a PC release... |
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the full trailer wasnt shown today, they're saying Wednesday, 11am PT.
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I agree with what kupoartist and meryl have said here; I am absolutely excited about this game exactly for the reasons causing Meryl's fears. There is a great sense of finality in the trailer, a finality that reminds me a bit of Spielberg's Munich - some scenes of the trailer seem even to use the same image composition seen in some key scenes in Munich, and even the soundtrack reminded me the one written by John Williams for Spielberg's work. The sense of finality in this trailer is something that was also behind the MGS3 storyline. What I like the most about all the latest Metal Gear Solid games is how they actually speak of the present, of what is happening to the world right now.
It's surprising that Kojima is the only creator of a game series on warfare actually criticizing with such an incredible strength the U.S. way of using war (obviously shared by some of the most powerful countries in the world), trying to unravel the meaning of war in moder times; he is the only one truly speaking about the fact that soldiers (and civilians) are just tools in the hands of the governments. War is created for political and economical reasons, with the latter aspect becoming increasingly important; enemies are and will always be only enemies in relative terms, monsters fed to the public to create fear and ignorance. MGS3, but also MGS2, basically showed how heroes can become the bad guys, and vice versa, just because of political reasons that have nothing to do with morality. References to the Iraq war in MGS3 were amazing, something no other game has ever done before. To me, it seems the sense of "finality" of this game is also caused by the fact Kojima is becoming more and more realistic (the advanced technologies used in his games are just a way to make them cooler and to hide the fact they are actually speaking of our present time) and more and more disillusioned, without ever abandoning hope. MGS games are unique because they talk about responsibility of the individual, about necessary moral choices that nowadays we have the tendency to avoid. That's what the shocking final bit of the first trailer is all about, in my opinion - moral choices must be made, if we want to give a better future to future generations, but also if we want to save our own soul. Is Kojima becoming more and more militant? Even the strange artworks of the new MGS website seem to hint at this, and ho, ho, ho, I love it! P.S. You can find a streaming version of the trailer on https://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/e3_2006/ |
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Oh, and I forgot to mention this in my eariler post, but Spoiler: show Quote:
Spoiler: show Okay, sorry for the long post, but those are the only questions/things I have to say for now. I had more, but I have to watch the trailer again. :D |
I edited the title to include a spoiler alert, just so that we can post here without having to always use the spoiler tag - what's the point of discussing about the trailer if we cannot talk about what we saw in it?
Also, yhere is this tool that can help anyone download streaming movies onto their HDD before watching them; it's freeware, and free of spyware or other strange things -> https://sdp.ppona.com/ ; you can even give it the URL of a normal webpage and it will try to list all possible feeds in the page. It can be very useful when servers are busy or videos are in high resolution. I really thought the same thing about Big Boss coming back in this game, especially after I noticed that in the ending scene Snake seems an entirely different person, and he even seems to have a scar on his right eye. Anyhow, in the second trailer, it is clearly said that his body is decaying at an alarming speed - is it possible the ending scene of the trailer is simply one of the ending scenes of the game? In any case, the theory of Big Boss coming back in this game isn't far fetched. At the end of Metal Gear Solid 2 it was clear that Liquid Snake (Liquid Ocelot?) was not the bad guy. In the official website of Kojima Productions (https://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/e3_2006/), in the MGS4 section, it is stated that Snake will have to face his "life-long enemy", and this is definitely Big Boss, not Liquid. Also, in the second trailer, Otacon says something like "You never stood a chance. He can't be beat" - is it possible this "He" refers "just" to Liquid? I don't think so. I really think there are more chances that Liquid and Snake will join their forces somewhere during this game against a common enemy... About that grave - a grave without a name could indeed be the Boss' grave, but also Solidus' grave. In Metal Gear Solid 2, Solidus had a tragic fate not different from the one of the Boss in MGS 3. Do you think the bipedal robots in the trailer are Metal Gears? They indeed seem very dangerous (the way they move their legs is scary), but I thought they were just war machines for combat on the battlefield. P.S. I just quoted your last post when I used the word "fears" ("I never said I won't love the game for all the things I feared) , I understand perfectly your feelings about the game. |
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I rewatched the trailer and there was something that was bothering me from the first time I saw the original short one. This may or may not produce a whole new set of theories: when Liquid Ocelot (that sounds so weird, lol) said "It was you who killed Abel and was cast out by Eve. You killed your own flesh and blood. What's next?" Okay, if Solidus represents Abel and Snake represents Cain (according to the story that I looked up on Wikipedia) then who is Eve? Finally, let's say if Snake commits suicide at the end...I wonder if we'll play as Raiden to finish the final boss, kinda like in "Legacy of Kain: Defiance"? Kojima said we wouldn't play as Raiden, but why would he say "My turn to protect you Snake" if he wasn't going to really partake in the action? One last thing: I saw on Wikipedia a theory that the game might come out 7/7/07 due to the oddly-shaped 'L' and '4' in the title's logo. This would commemorate the anniversary of MG which was released 7/7/87. :cool: Quote:
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You are welcome Meryl! I could have never downloaded the movie without that!
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Maybe we must wait for the new MGS: Portable Ops to know a bit more about it, or maybe it's just that I honestly do not know a lot of things about the series' storyline. In any case, Revolver Ocelot has always sided with the Philosophers/Patriots, and the Patriots are those that really control the economy and politics of Western countries, including the U.S., in MGS - so they were basically behind Snake's infiltration in Outer Heaven, and this makes them Big Boss' sworn enemies. They took Big Boss' genetic material when he was in a coma, from what I read in Wikipedia (was this explained in MGS?), obviously without his permission. So, if Big Boss is actually on Revolver Ocelot's side in this game, he could be an unknowing tool in the hands of Ocelot and the Patriots, like Solidus in MGS2. Quote:
But if the Ocelot talking in the trailer is actually Revolver Ocelot, Eve could even refer to the Patriots and Les Enfants Terribles project. Quote:
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I wonder if Big Boss did sided with Revolver Ocelot, would he really not know if he was being played a pawn again? He already went through this in MGS3, so how could he make the same mistake again? And this would go against all that he was fighting for in MG and MG2, right? I don't think it was explained in MGS that Big Boss was in a coma when they took his genetic DNA...I could've sworn they said "remains of Big Boss." From other things I've read, I thought Big Boss willingly allowed his DNA to be cloned. Quote:
All this talking about MGS4 is really great...I miss these sort of discussions. :D |
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About the PSP game, I can understand you. Anyhow, there could be another PSP price cut before November. The game will have a complete single player campaign with a storyline part of the MGS canon, but I am not too excited about the digital graphic novel style they will use to portray the story (which you can see in the trailer of the game). This is obviously to cut development costs, and probably the choice will be more effective than I can imagine, but MGS doesn't feel like MGS without the extraordinary cinematic sequences. You are right, an analysis of the biblical references in the latest games could be interesting! |
is there not the outside chance that the PSP title could be ported elsewhere? Aren't Rockstar porting PSP Liberty City Stories to PS2 or something like that? Could be insanely easy and cost-effective to do after the PSP release has done its bit for the handheld's sales, especially if the engine it's running is identical or at least part similar to Snake Eater's.
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